Odyssey Yasuo is another "Pay to Win" Skin

Shapiro·Sep 15, 2018·10 votes·6,107 views

There are a few skins that give very obvious advantages, Steel Legion Lux for example. Odyssey Yasuo, I believe, is in the exact same boat.

Laning against Yasuo, his tornado typically has a VERY distinct sound when it is ready. In the Odyssey skin, there's still a sound, but it is FAR quieter and less of stand out sound compared to the normal.

Also, why did the tornado shrink? Odyssey Yasuo's tornado is half the size of a normal tornado, but has the same hitbox. Why is this ok?

18 Comments

Vlada CutSep 15, 20184 votes

Lol? None of the skins are p2w, and most of the changes mentioned are augmenta fornyasuo in odyssey extraction gamemode. "Sorry rich guy, go buy yourself and island and afford things, I'm trying to play League over here with my friends"

ShapiroSep 15, 20184 votes

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Lol? None if the skins are p2w, and most of the changes mentioned are augmenta fornyasuo in odyssey extraction gamemode. "Sorry rich guy, go buy yourself and island and afford things, I'm trying to play League over here with my friends"

None of the skins are DIRECTLY pay to win, I agree. They don't give better stats or anything, but there are very real differences that do change how the skin performs.

Yasuo's tornado is smaller IN the actual game. That's not an augment. It has the same hitbox as if it were the size of a normal Yasuo tornado.

Yasuo's tornado sounds IS significantly quieter, also not an augment, also in the actual game. It makes it much more difficult to know when Yasuo has a tornado ready every time.

Vlada CutSep 15, 20182 votes

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None of the skins are DIRECTLY pay to win, I agree. They don't give better stats or anything, but there are very real differences that do change how the skin performs.

Yasuo's tornado is smaller IN the actual game. That's not an augment. It has the same hitbox as if it were the size of a normal Yasuo tornado.

Yasuo's tornado sounds IS significantly quieter, also not an augment, also in the actual game. It makes it much more difficult to know when Yasuo has a tornado ready every time.

Having a tornado look BIGGER than the ACTUAL hitbox would make you miss with the edges of your tornados then. So that's not an improvement at all.

ShapiroSep 15, 20185 votes

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Having a tornado look BIGGER than the ACTUAL hitbox would make you miss with the edges of your tornados then. So that's not an improvement at all.

??? Yasuo's normal tornado isn't bigger than the hitbox. The hitbox is the size of his tornado. His tornado being smaller in the Odyssey skin with the same hitbox is a problem.

Vlada CutSep 15, 20183 votes

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??? Yasuo's normal tornado isn't bigger than the hitbox. The hitbox is the size of his tornado. His tornado being smaller in the Odyssey skin with the same hitbox is a problem.

Do you even know how to write or read? YOU called Odyssey Yasuo's tornados bigger and you suddenly swapped to talking about Classic Yasuo? I'm done bye.

OtterlyLostSep 15, 20184 votes

Or you can't read. .-.; He said that Odyssey Yasuo's tornado looks physically smaller than its hit box actually is, making it harder to dodge and read.

ShapiroSep 15, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vlada Cut,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rwAAbifA,comment-id=00000000000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-15T18:44:14.286+0000)

Do you even know how to write or read? YOU called Odyssey Yasuo's tornados bigger and you suddenly swapped to talking about Classic Yasuo? I'm done bye.

"Also, why did the tornado shrink? Odyssey Yasuo's tornado is half the size of a normal tornado, but has the same hitbox. Why is this ok?" Right, I forgot I said that.

GreatWhiteNorthSep 15, 20184 votes

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Do you even know how to write or read? YOU called Odyssey Yasuo's tornados bigger and you suddenly swapped to talking about Classic Yasuo? I'm done bye.

No, I clearly read that the hitbox was bigger than the tornado...

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taleofsonataSep 15, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vlada Cut,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rwAAbifA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-15T17:49:13.452+0000)

Lol? None of the skins are p2w, and most of the changes mentioned are augmenta fornyasuo in odyssey extraction gamemode. "Sorry rich guy, go buy yourself and island and afford things, I'm trying to play League over here with my friends"

I don't think you grasps the meaning of pay to win skin. It's a skin that gives a huge advantage over champion abilities or action clarity. Do you ever get hit by those invisible Lux Q while she has the steal legion skin? Or the warring kingdom Katarina recall animation is similar to her Q throwing animation?

SEKAISep 15, 20182 votes

[{quoted}](name=Vlada Cut,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rwAAbifA,comment-id=0000,timestamp=2018-09-15T17:49:13.452+0000)

Lol? None of the skins are p2w, and most of the changes mentioned are augmenta fornyasuo in odyssey extraction gamemode. "Sorry rich guy, go buy yourself and island and afford things, I'm trying to play League over here with my friends"

P2W skins are something like iBlizcrank where the model of his fist for the hook is smaller the hitbox for some reason which makes for some frustrating play for the opponents (especially when League's hitboxs are already known to be broken all over the place), or something like Battle Boss Brand where the passive stacks ticks are visually displayed for each target affected by Brand's spells whereas it is not present in any of his skins including the Classic (normally Brand players have to count it in their heads for each enemy units affected if they really care about it) which provides an obvious advantage to the player using the skin since it counts it for you.

P2W skins do exist, though Odyssey Yasuo is probably not really one of them last time I checked it out in the Extraction game mode. I haven't felt like it really was doing anything out of usual myself. But I am not sure, it could actually be one.

ShapiroSep 15, 20181 votes

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P2w skins would be something like iBlizcrank where the model of his fist for the hook is smaller the hitbox for some reason which makes for some frustrating play for the opponents, or something like Battle Boss Brand where the passive stacks are visually displayed for each target affected by Brand's spells whereas it is not present in any of his skins including the Classic.

P2w skins do exist, though Odyssey Yasuo is probably not really one of them last time I checked it out in the Extraction game mode.

I never said it was as bad as some of the others, almost certainly not as bad as Steel Legion Lux. I'm not sure where I'd place it in the rankings of most broken skins. It's mainly the audio that bothers me; not as much the tornado size, though it's still a bad design.

I've only played against the skin once (and no, I didn't lose lane, to those that think this is a salt-fueled post), and it was incredibly out of the ordinary to not be able to reliably tell when Yasuo's tornado was up based on sound. Many abilities used in laning are a lot louder than his sound indicator, and it shouldn't be that way; that sound is there for a reason. The tornado can obviously still be dodged, but the size of a projectile should match the size of the hitbox. That's not ok for it not to (You too, iBlitzcrank).

Odyssey Yasuo is just another skin that gives a tangible advantage compared to other skins. Other examples being Steel Legion Lux, Steel Legion Garen, iBlitzcrank, etc.

I wouldn't be surprised if it eventually gets banned from pro play, since Steel Legion Lux and iBlitzcrank among others are (unless this has changed, I can't find a modern list of banned skins)

OtterlyLostSep 15, 20182 votes

I get what you mean. There are several skins I feel aren't as visually clear as they should be. iBlitzcrank has a very problematic hook; its even banned from use in competitive play. I feel like a lot of Lux's skins are also very visually unclear; Steel Legion is a huge offender, yeah. The Q animation looks so different in particles that it does actively make it harder to dodge. But I also have problems with Elementalist Lux and the Lunar Revel Lux. Both of them have very pale particles that can make seeing the Q and E very hard to see. And in the case of Elementalist Lux, the animation of her Q and her W are so similar that I find myself trying to dodge when she's throwing a W out and not dodging at all when she's throwing a Q. :/

I really wish that they'd make sure that skin clarity was higher on their list when releasing new skins.

ShapiroSep 15, 20181 votes

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I get what you mean. There are several skins I feel aren't as visually clear as they should be. iBlitzcrank has a very problematic hook; its even banned from use in competitive play. I feel like a lot of Lux's skins are also very visually unclear; Steel Legion is a huge offender, yeah. The Q animation looks so different in particles that it does actively make it harder to dodge. But I also have problems with Elementalist Lux and the Lunar Revel Lux. Both of them have very pale particles that can make seeing the Q and E very hard to see. And in the case of Elementalist Lux, the animation of her Q and her W are so similar that I find myself trying to dodge when she's throwing a W out and not dodging at all when she's throwing a Q. :/

I really wish that they'd make sure that skin clarity was higher on their list when releasing new skins.

That's all I'm saying, is that the aesthetics of a skin shouldn't come before the fundamental mechanics/gameplay of an ability. Elementalist is another one, just being super inconsistent in her form doesn't help. There's a Garen one too that I'm not too sure, it just tells him when his ult will be a kill I think?

OtterlyLostSep 15, 20181 votes

I'm not sure; I don't play a lot of Garen unfortunately so I'm less likely to know much about his skins. ;-;

I also don't like how a lot of Veigar Skins(even his base) has him with his Ult and Q being very similar. They can be hard to distinguish from one another.

Colton147Sep 15, 20181 votes

Blitzcrank item 3070

Reaper SorakaSep 15, 20181 votes

you'd mention lux before lancer blitz?

ShapiroSep 15, 20181 votes

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you'd mention lux before lancer blitz?

I've actually never seen Lancer Blitz I don't think... Know all about the infamous iBlitzcrank though. I play a lot of Mid/Top, so I don't run into it much, so Lux was a more relevant example to bring up for me

Reaper SorakaSep 15, 20181 votes

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WYCpLLm2qeU