Can we make fights last longer?

JamesTheMage17··1 votes·557 views

I'm getting sick of fights being like 2-3 seconds max once people get their ultimates. It's like this-

Lux Q+R is immediate death for like 2/3 people on the enemy team Annie Any two abilities is immediate death for 2/3 people. The other 1/3 people will be killed if she uses a third ability. Talon Appears near you and kills you in 1-2 autos because of his Q Tristana Uses an auto, puts a bomb on you, then hits you away before you can do anything (you will die from the bomb a few seconds later unless you have zhonya or something) Zyra spams all abilities and hopes they hit to get an instakill Xerath ults from like 1/3 of the map away and kills you if he hits all shots TwistedFate appears next to you and murders your face off with an auto empowered by like five different things at once Teemo same thing as TF Leblanc W, RW, bye Jayce literal unreal attack speed ability that will kill you before it's over Irelia WQ and then maybe like one auto Syndra R. Enough said. Jhin see xerath. Or, alternative, hits minions until he gets his fourth shot ready, then flashes on to you and crits all over you. Fizz see syndra Veigar see Annie MissFortune see syndra Lucian see Caitlyn waits until someone walks in a trap and then oneshots them from a Jhin's W away Graves dashes into you then kills you in one auto

I could go on but you get the point. Fights last way too short right now. I miss when fights would last like 4-5 seconds. But now it's just depressing watching people with gap-closers appear next to you and oneshot your face.

21 Comments

JamesTheMage171 votes

Edit: Lucian should be 'see syndra'

5050BS1 votes

Yes plz

Every freaking pvp game ends up being stupid die in .2s

WHY THE HELL CANT WE HAVE A TACTICAL FIGHT where you die after you know FIGHTING.

Ralanr1 votes

For Honor is very tactical.

ScissorsNstuff1 votes

careful what you wish for

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MrHaZeYo2 votes

You forgot Thornmail.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

I dare you to play Syndra and walk up the enemy's squishiest target and just hit R. No Qs at all. I bet money you won't kill someone.

JamesTheMage171 votes

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I dare you to play Syndra and walk up the enemy's squishiest target and just hit R. No Qs at all. I bet money you won't kill someone.

Really? That's your takeaway from this post? Not only are you entirely wrong (I'll do you a favor and ignore that). But instead of responding to the actual point of this post you pointed out an example out of the other 10-20 examples and (inaccurately) said it was wrong. Get out of here...

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Oh no I'm right, if you ever played Syndra you would know. I also know Lux needs her E as well. Annie needs her third spell most the time. Fizz won't kill you with just his ult. Instead of exaggerating, maybe try to use some truth.

If you a full HP squishy vs a non fed out the ass any of those champs I said, you'd survive. Late game could be different but you have to get to a late game 1st.

I do think fights need to last longer but thats more so cause people don't play tanks as often so there is no one there to soak up the damage.

Syndra or Annie can't blow up the backline from the backline, they can't go through tanks, they can't burst out the tanks. the solution is to make tanks useful and not easily shredded by ADCs like MF with BC, LW, and Leth. Another problem is everyone wants to be the carry and not the useful tank.

You want fights to last longer? Play tanks.

JamesTheMage171 votes

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Oh no I'm right, if you ever played Syndra you would know. I also know Lux needs her E as well. Annie needs her third spell most the time. Fizz won't kill you with just his ult. Instead of exaggerating, maybe try to use some truth.

If you a full HP squishy vs a non fed out the ass any of those champs I said, you'd survive. Late game could be different but you have to get to a late game 1st.

I do think fights need to last longer but thats more so cause people don't play tanks as often so there is no one there to soak up the damage.

Syndra or Annie can't blow up the backline from the backline, they can't go through tanks, they can't burst out the tanks. the solution is to make tanks useful and not easily shredded by ADCs like MF with BC, LW, and Leth. Another problem is everyone wants to be the carry and not the useful tank.

You want fights to last longer? Play tanks.

I played Fiora last match (not on this account.) with somewhere between 130-150 MR ALSO KNOWN AS 55-58% MAGIC REDUCTION and 2800-3000 health. Annie was able to 100-0 me. The solution is not "play tanks more". It's "ban Annie"

MrHaZeYo1 votes

How fed was she? Like I hate these comments, I want to know excataly what you had, what she had, how fed she was, how fed you were, what lvl was she? what lvl where you?

Lets be even more real though, Your playing Fiora, can you really complain about anybody else?

JamesTheMage171 votes

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How fed was she? Like I hate these comments, I want to know excataly what you had, what she had, how fed she was, how fed you were, what lvl was she? what lvl where you?

Lets be even more real though, Your playing Fiora, can you really complain about anybody else?

I'm not seeing the problem with Fiora. She's free this week. We were the same level (18 Lategame) and she was like one kill ahead of me. But she was doing worse. I was like 5-7-10 (got camped the entire lane phase) and Annie was somewhere around 6-10. I remember her being only three items in and she was still able to QWR me.

But that doesn't matter since you're gonna claim its bullshit and continue to hate on posts with an actual point.

MrHaZeYo1 votes

Your not providing any actual proof, its all just shit coming out your ass. What 3 items? Morello, Deathcap, Void? I'm sure Tibbers prolly got a AA or two in plus the effect similar to sunfire on Tibs.

Fiora is one of the strongest Top laners in the game currently. If ahead she can make Annie her bitch, that does go both ways though, It's not that I don't believe Annie didn't spell rotate 100-0 to you, that's what her job is. She is a anti assassin/diver. a Short range nuke.

Complaining that burst mages do there job is redundant, they don't what they are meant to do. Burst down targets. It's funny you didn't add Fiora to that list. Q into a passive proc E AA Hydra prco AA, person is dead.

The problem is the lack of true frontliners in the game that makes everyone else look like they do more damage then they used to, cause they don't do more damage, there just no tanks.

PureSilvrr1 votes
  1. Xeraths ult only has a1/3 of a map range at lvl 2+, lvl 1 isn't that large.

  2. Twisted fate Has W + E + lichbane and maybe a ludens, that's 2 abilities and 2 items and 1 ult to kill 1 person.

  3. so your saying I can 1shot somebody on Tristana by pressing E then Ult, and not even charging up my E?

  4. Talon uses all 3 of his damage spells and an auto which activates his passive to kill you.

  5. I'm not even going to say anything about zyra

  6. A teemo player will have to predict where you will be, and then wait till you in position for you to kill him.

  7. You think his crit is whats wrong with jhin right now?

  8. Cait is 1. a lane bunny 2. supposed to have long range 3. shes actually balanced rn....

  9. Theres nothing for Lucian.

  10. MOST OF THESE CHAMPIONS ARE BURST MAGES, OR ARE KNOWN FOR BURSTING PEOPLE

JamesTheMage171 votes

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  1. Xeraths ult only has a1/3 of a map range at lvl 2+, lvl 1 isn't that large.

  2. Twisted fate Has W + E + lichbane and maybe a ludens, that's 2 abilities and 2 items and 1 ult to kill 1 person.

  3. so your saying I can 1shot somebody on Tristana by pressing E then Ult, and not even charging up my E?

  4. Talon uses all 3 of his damage spells and an auto which activates his passive to kill you.

  5. I'm not even going to say anything about zyra

  6. A teemo player will have to predict where you will be, and then wait till you in position for you to kill him.

  7. You think his crit is whats wrong with jhin right now?

  8. Cait is 1. a lane bunny 2. supposed to have long range 3. shes actually balanced rn....

  9. Theres nothing for Lucian.

  10. MOST OF THESE CHAMPIONS ARE BURST MAGES, OR ARE KNOWN FOR BURSTING PEOPLE

  1. So you're proving my point even more?
  2. I don't see how using an ult, two abilities, and two item actives to kill someone is such a big deal.
  3. Yes, you can.
  4. No.
  5. Please don't because it's gonna be idiotic and wrong.
  6. He doesn't predict where you're going. He goes near you, then goes invisible somewhere near you and prepares to kill you.
  7. I didn't say it was. I said it's A problem, not THE problem. We all know it's lethality but that doesn't make crit irrelevant. It's still a problem.
  8. I'm not seeing your point here. That's literally what I said.
  9. If you read the comment instead of rushing to hate on this, you would see that I added something for Lucian.
  10. I'm not seeing a problem with that. Also, 6-7/19 of them depending on what you think of TF.
PureSilvrr1 votes
  1. Your saying he can just press r 3-5 times and kill anyone, I've never done this unless EXTREMELY fed and there are no slows or stuns attatched to Xeraths ultimate, and you can lose vision of the person your shooting, forcing you to shoot blind. Your literally saying xerath has a homing ult that forces you to run if you see a big circle appear.
  2. It isn't, but your saying that he appears out of nowhere to assassinate you in a teamfight, if hes doing this, your doing something wrong. Your also saying that he has like 5+ different empowerments on his autos when its usually 3 if you count w.
  3. I highly doubt this
  4. do you feed every talon or something, he doesent 100 to 0 people by autoing twice and pressing q.
  5. Spam spells and hope you get an instakill....... I feel like you insulted every zyra player ever.
  6. If your just letting a teemo go invisible near you **WHY DONT YOU LEAVE **
  7. Jhin only has 4 autoattacks and 1 is a guaranteed crit... Would an adc with 100% crit flash autoing be a problem too? Its not like it isn't highly telegraphed when he has a crit bullet.
  8. She really doesn't 1shot unless you have like 1000 health and she's full build. And your saying her core theme is the huge problem with her.
  9. Stuns, Dodging it, Dashes, Flash, Barrier, Having a tank, or someone to block it? 10 Burst mages are supposed to do their burst over 4-5 seconds? How does it make them different from any other mage?
JamesTheMage171 votes

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  1. Your saying he can just press r 3-5 times and kill anyone, I've never done this unless EXTREMELY fed and there are no slows or stuns attatched to Xeraths ultimate, and you can lose vision of the person your shooting, forcing you to shoot blind. Your literally saying xerath has a homing ult that forces you to run if you see a big circle appear.
  2. It isn't, but your saying that he appears out of nowhere to assassinate you in a teamfight, if hes doing this, your doing something wrong. Your also saying that he has like 5+ different empowerments on his autos when its usually 3 if you count w.
  3. I highly doubt this
  4. do you feed every talon or something, he doesent 100 to 0 people by autoing twice and pressing q.
  5. Spam spells and hope you get an instakill....... I feel like you insulted every zyra player ever.
  6. If your just letting a teemo go invisible near you **WHY DONT YOU LEAVE **
  7. Jhin only has 4 autoattacks and 1 is a guaranteed crit... Would an adc with 100% crit flash autoing be a problem too? Its not like it isn't highly telegraphed when he has a crit bullet.
  8. She really doesn't 1shot unless you have like 1000 health and she's full build. And your saying her core theme is the huge problem with her.
  9. Stuns, Dodging it, Dashes, Flash, Barrier, Having a tank, or someone to block it? 10 Burst mages are supposed to do their burst over 4-5 seconds? How does it make them different from any other mage?

Ok I'm sick of this and stopped reading after 2. I'm not reading anymore. I'm gonna ignore #1 and just respond to #2. You said max 3 empowerments, including w. I'm not sure how W is included. But there are lots of items that can empower this. Not just his Q and E. item 3116 item 3285 item 3151 item 3085 item 3147 item 3100 item 3115 item 3001 (this empowers it just as much as anything else) item 3153 item 3094

PureSilvrr1 votes

Why am I building Rylais Runaans Duskblade Nashors or Bork on ap TF? If your suggesting an on-hit tf 1shot you I highly doubt that, and say I go Ludens Rapid Firecannon Abyssal Lich Bane Liandrys as a build. Ludens ,Rapid Firecannon and lich bane are the only ones that count as empowering the autos. Abyssal and Liandrys don't "Empower the auto, the add more effects after"

Questions. Do you even play Twisted Fate? Do you even know how any of his abilities work? Do you know how telegraphed his damage is?

meowwow71 votes

with fizz it's not his ult that gives me problems it's that e of his mf isn't like syndra because she atleast gives you a couple of seconds to cc her before you die and if tf is behind you with his w ready didn't the eye above your head for the last 7 seconds signal anything? and you do know the atk speed buff on jayce only last 3 autos but it lowers his damage on those 3 shots til lvl 9 and with veigar he doesn't start 1 shotting until he has a bit of farm under his q and some take downs

JamesTheMage171 votes

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with fizz it's not his ult that gives me problems it's that e of his mf isn't like syndra because she atleast gives you a couple of seconds to cc her before you die and if tf is behind you with his w ready didn't the eye above your head for the last 7 seconds signal anything? and you do know the atk speed buff on jayce only last 3 autos but it lowers his damage on those 3 shots til lvl 9 and with veigar he doesn't start 1 shotting until he has a bit of farm under his q and some take downs

"He doesn't start one-shotting till he has a bit of farm" So you're saying once he gets a small amount of farm he's allowed to oneshot That's just supporting my point Also, Jayce can kill you in those three autos. That's what I meant by "before it's up".

meowwow71 votes

if you are going to use a quote use the full thing because i said with his q and some take downs not just farm and some items

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