Please answer me. why does a champion being in the top 5/10 winrates for half a year not getting a nerf. HES TOO FUCKING STRONG. Please. Please save
55% winrate highest in the jungle only losing 1 fucking match up by 0.8% to skarner. fuck this game and fuck the balance team
http://champion.gg/champion/Volibear/Jungle
this fucking bullshit has been the same for 6 fucking months straight
MLDzXnRRR4 votesBecause he is binary; tanks, mages and supports with CC counter him. He is good only vs soloQ champs - where you see mostly squishies with high dmg and low defense/no CC.
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesi dont give a fucking damn about anything you have to say. he has had one of the highest winrates in the game for over half a year now and hes the only one that hasn't been fucking nerfed yet. i will keep my torches and pitchforks going until this fucking champion gets nerfed.
everyone has 53+ percent winrate with volibear. from 1 game to 125 game. every fucking one.
Volibear. has the HIGHEST amount of kills for a tank in the jungle. No tank in the jungle has as many kills. even close. as volibear. 7 kills per match. what is he. a fucking assassin. and am gonna call him an assassin as long as he can 100-0 squishies with no damage items in 1-3 seconds because he fucking can.
BeatzBoyFTW1 votesAll you said are just the book covers.
Like, we get it, he indeed does have a winrate over 50%. We can just log into champion.gg and just look at the numbers. What the readers want are actual context, cz you kept spamming the same winrate crap over & over again as if your points mean something. If this is your kind of point, then we shud have just nerf Galio as well since he too has a 50+% winrate.
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesif you have that much of a winrate and good playrate. your over powered and you need a nerf as a champion. don't tell me about context. volibear is the only champion in the game that can build no damage items and do that much damage to squishies. no not even tank ekko does because he actually gets some mr pen and ap runes. hell and even then. I play tank ekko i don't do that much damage. and he got nerfed 3 times in a row certainly won't do anything close to voli after the next nerf.
my question is. WHY IS A TANK ASSASSINATING MY TEAM? I don't care about the details or the context. WHY IS A FUCKING TANK. (hell i dont care if hes a juggernaut hes not building any damage items. other juggs build 1 or 2 damage items and none of them do as much sustained damage as voli. darius outdamages him when his passive is up. illaoi doesn't force you with a slow to stay near her until your dead garen is same as illaoi and ults for kills and needa black cleaver to do damage.). KILLING SQUISHIES IN 1-2 SECONDS?
MLDzXnRRR1 votesi dont give a fucking damn about anything you have to say. he has had one of the highest winrates in the game for over half a year now and hes the only one that hasn't been fucking nerfed yet. i will keep my torches and pitchforks going until this fucking champion gets nerfed.
everyone has 53+ percent winrate with volibear. from 1 game to 125 game. every fucking one.
Volibear. has the HIGHEST amount of kills for a tank in the jungle. No tank in the jungle has as many kills. even close. as volibear. 7 kills per match. what is he. a fucking assassin. and am gonna call him an assassin as long as he can 100-0 squishies with no damage items in 1-3 seconds because he fucking can.
But Volibear is not a tank. He is port of Ursa from DOTA - that's a carry hero. Voli's W is variation of Ursa's old ult, before he got reworked. Voli is a juggernaut like Darius, Garen, Illaoi, Nasus and company. If you let them to sit on your squishies, they will die.
MunchCrunchLunch2 votesdarius garen and illaoi build damage items. nasus has his outdated stacking mechanic and without it he does no damage.
go ahead. and don't build black cleaver on darius garen or illaoi and tell me how much sustained damage you will do. go ahead i would like to see you try. the only thing you will acoomplish with garen is to land your ult on a low health target. and darius with no black cleaver. does no fucking damage.
volibear has a knock back with a slow. darius has a simply pull and an on hit slow not an aoe slow. garen has a small movement speed. not a movement speed that puts you at 500 MS.
Defended2 votesBecause he is binary; tanks, mages and supports with CC counter him. He is good only vs soloQ champs - where you see mostly squishies with high dmg and low defense/no CC.
He isnt binary... He kills tanks mages and supports np. Theres not a single champ in the game that can melt him. You need a vayne freecasting for a good 5 seconds tbh. But even then he does way too much damage
MunchCrunchLunch1 voteshe will fucking kill the vayne before she procs a single silverbolt.
Defended2 voteshe will fucking kill the vayne before she procs a single silverbolt.
yeah. im an adc main and honestly
Volibear-Zac-Amumu are all fuckin stupid junglers who do way too much damage for absolutely no reason
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesamumu does a lot of damage and so does zac. but none of them do as much damage as volibear. nobody is as disruptive or as easy to play as volibear. hes the safest pick you can possibly make. when i play amumu i buy 2-3 ap items to do damage. i mean his base damage is fine. i would agree that zac damage is abnormal for a full tank too but its not over the top like volibear.
i dont main adc but i can't count the fucking times he flashed onto me and 100-0 me under the turret with 0 damage items in a second or two. its fucking sickening
Madra1 votesThe free attack speed Volibear gets is a problematic part of their kits. Rek'sai also gets 60% bonus attack speed, Rek'sai's is gated by her ultimate which makes a lot more sense if you are going to just start throwing around free stats with. Volibear gets his attack speed passive on the same power that allows him to execute on an attack that scales with his bonus health and gains bonus damage for the target's missing health. It's a one stop shop for everything you need and having one ability stacked with so much power makes no sense at all.
macromite1 votesactually, none of those characters require much to beat, just don't be stupid and you will be fine. give bear space, don't let the blob knock you up with his range nonsense, and respect his range and keep shit warded down. (that means buy pinks) and when it comes to amumu, dodge his grab, and if he's wizened up to that don't stand next to things he can grab when you dodge his grab.
Defended2 votesactually, none of those characters require much to beat, just don't be stupid and you will be fine. give bear space, don't let the blob knock you up with his range nonsense, and respect his range and keep shit warded down. (that means buy pinks) and when it comes to amumu, dodge his grab, and if he's wizened up to that don't stand next to things he can grab when you dodge his grab.
''Give bear space'' Theres a thing called Righteous glory + 15% movement speed + Boots of swiftys
Idc about his damage tbh. i care about him never fucking dying.
''Dont Let the blob knock you up with his range nonsense''
You said ''Dont let'' and ''Range nonsense'' in the same sentence. You are therefore agreeing Zacs range is pretty intense. So its not really easy to dodge something that flies at you from the other side of the map.
All while having 4.5k health + GA if untouched after dying for a couple seconds.
''When it comes to amumu dodge his grab'' and when it comes to morgana dodge her Q and when it comes to vayne dont let her condem and when it comes to ahri dodge the charm
Dude. These are champs that build straight tank over 3k health mid and do INTENSE burst damage.
You'll find out when you main adc and get out of bronze 1
macromite1 votesto an adc main that builds intelligently voli isn't a big issue. just grab 
at the part of the game when you really need to start dealing with him, and don't fight him until then.
zac is intense, specifically, the range at which he can initiate. if you are having trouble against a zac, The best I can say is keep stuff warded and don't get hit by the first bounce, because if you do you are getting knocked up twice. if you get hit both times you can still flash. he isn't great at chasing.
unlike morgana and her binding, if amumu misses he can't hit you with something else.
none of those tanks have intense burst, it's just that you're a squish. If we balance damage because its effectively killing squish, there won't be enough damage. no no, what really needs to happen is that as a squish you need to give your enemy space and respect, and learn how to dance against them.
macromite3 votesif the vayne is retarded maybe. vayne has tumble. and the knockback. those combine into a sad bear.
MunchCrunchLunch1 votesyeah because that will do anything against a 500-600 ms volibear coming at you.
macromite1 votesit will buy time, and if used properly, will likely lead to a kill. if you need to you can even add in a botrk like a normal vayne and steal some of that movespeed as well.
macromite3 votes problem solved.
lke actually though, just respect the bear, let him have his distance, and when you know his flip is down beat his ass.
MunchCrunchLunch3 votesdude. just get out of here. there is a reason you have one of the highest winrate sin the game. means you need a fucking nerf.
macromite2 votesnaw, he's just good against teams without teamwork and people that don't know how to fight him. once you know the dance it/s pretty easy to dance it.
Rubbery Skrub2 votes^^
Also any champion that can kite or does percent hp damage.
MunchCrunchLunch2 votesofcourse its your main its not like i would want my main to get nerfed or anything
8.8 kills for a tank on average. LMAO. just mind boggling. i would try to see you get that many kills with any other champion that build full tank
Rubbery Skrub1 votesI say this as a previous main, yes he is very strong but there are many effective ways of dealing with him. For instance a good 
murders this guy. Tbh I don't main him any more and could care less if he was nerfed or not. On the other hand I might crai if 
were nerfed.
In fact I won't even disagree with you I have known for a long time that he is very op- very easy to play, very tanky, and his bite damage scales with his max hp AND the enemies' missing hp. That said, he can be shut down quite easily by a competent team.
macromite2 votesdoesn't even need to be a team that shuts him down, it can be just one player that knows what to do and isn't floundering like a fish. he seems strong, until you know what to do.
Revali1 votesEver heard the term... Juggernaut?
Papasmokess3 votes
Sniveling cubs
Vicarious1172 votesDon't bother posting about this, Riot doesn't give a shit and you'll just be bombarded with people defending his broken ass.
I mean disregard his utter and complete dominance in the jungle for nearly an entire season in just about every single fucking elo, he doesn't do all that well in pro play so it's entirely fucking ignorable......
macromite1 votesthat's because of a reason. voli is as easy to counter as he is to play. if you don't like him, learn how to deal with him.
Vicarious1171 votesNo, with many of the new items and item changes it's become increasingly easy for him to do his job and only getting more difficult to stop him from doing it, especially when playing a more immobile champ.
I mean ffs look at his winrates across every single fucking elo, it's not ridiculous like that cause everyone in every elo doesn't understand how to kite, it's cause he's become stupidly hard to successfully kite for a large number of champions.
macromite1 voteshis win rates are high because people are treating him like a normal tank, which he is not. this is honestly why knee jerks are bad, give him some time and he will disappear on his own.
Vicarious1171 votesHe hasn't for nearly the entirety of the whole fucking season, so nerfing something that has had an immense winrate for so fucking long isn't considered "knee jerk," at this point it's considered necessary for game health and balance.
Also based on how he still hasn't disappeared off the winrates top 5 or how he's still got a fairly strong playrate, he won't be simply disappearing any time soon. That's solely based on the empirical evidence before us.
macromite1 votesagain, no one is learning how to deal with him, and due to that he seems a lot stronger than he is, and is artificially increasing his winrate. he is not particularly strong, you just aren't playing it right.
Vicarious1171 votesAGAIN, there is 0 fucking chance that there is no one learning how to fucking kite in every single frickin elo across the entire frickin world.
If he only had that kind of winrate with that kind of playrate in lower elos then sure, you might just have a point, but it's EVERY single fucking elo, dude! You can't just ignore that if you're trying to make that point.
macromite1 votesno, there is an issue that transcends rank.
its also the reason why NA is the weakest competitive server. we don't innovate or look for counters, we complain. voli is a great example, voli is a terrible character if you know what to do to kill him. its not even particularly hard, but instead of learning it and knowing what to pick to end him, you all complain.
i mean, voli is easy to counter, know flash distance, use cc on him if he ults, grab something with grievous wounds or ignite, and know what distance is safe to work with. voli is a character that can punish mistakes, he always has been, so you need to be wary of the mistakes he can punish. those which are notable here is that diving past a voli and going for backline is what he wants you to do, he can kill you and flip you away. another mistake is disengaging past him, he won't let you do that.
if you treat voli like a tank he is gonna beat you up. you need to treat him like a high priority fighter, like xin a few patches ago, or jax when he's strong, but instead of throwing burst on him, throw cc on him.
Vicarious1171 votesIncorrect, you're grasping at straws when you say "no one in NA knows how to play against a kitable champ" as your reasoning behind his supposed "balance."
Mainly cause he's been within the top 5 winrates for ALL REGIONS for the past couple months. Korea being the only one where he's below the top 10, and he's still right fucking there behind Kindred and Hecarim, and we all know how much Korea seems to hate champs with kits as basic as Voli's, yet there he still is!
You're entirely wrong in your assumption it's just cause all players in all elos across the fucking planet don't know how to kite properly. The facts are that his winrate world wide is high as fuck along side a very solid playrate.
Fusarix1 votesCause riot likes to take their damn time nerfing champions that are too strong See also 
Unfortunatley cant put malz here cause he got hotfixed part way through the patch but you get the idea...
zlumpy1 votesMaybe voli has a high winrate because the only only people playing him use him a lot and know what they are doing. Need a win rate vs number of games actually played statistic.
2LUCID1 votesClearly Riot knows something we don't... or they're just incompetent. It's ridiculous at this point, ADC is my favorite role but it's literally unplayable except for of course twink boy and the black guy. I don't understand anymore, I think Riot forgot assassins bring balance to the meta and they're all trash now unless they can build tank
Madra1 votesVolibear does need a nerf. Garen's entire kit is basically what Volibear accomplishes with just his W.
