New champs =All Zed counter

KONO RUBICK DA·Sep 16, 2015·3 votes·909 views

Why do they all have invulnerability? and kindreds

18 Comments

LafouboySep 16, 20154 votes

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Why do they all have invulnerability? and kindreds

Good.

Stars ShaperSep 16, 20152 votes

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SwapShadowsSep 16, 20152 votes

factually most countered champion in the game getting even more counters.

LuggSep 16, 20152 votes

Previous list of champions that countered Zed: Kayle

SoundChaosDebugSep 16, 20151 votes

So you want zed buffed?

KONO RUBICK DASep 16, 20151 votes

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So you want zed buffed?

no, i'm just saying that riot wants every new champ to counter zed

SoundChaosDebugSep 16, 20158 votes

I am ok with this.

Knight SoIaire Sep 16, 20153 votes

well its not bad if you never look at the bigger picture

but zed is broken only because he can be countered so easily ... if everyone can counter him ... he needs to actualy make them want to counter him

so uncountered zed = op because he is owerloaded with sheer power of ad and rahter good base damage while countered zed= up because crapload of his power goes out through the window

KONO RUBICK DASep 16, 20151 votes

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well its not bad if you never look at the bigger picture

but zed is broken only because he can be countered so easily ... if everyone can counter him ... he needs to actualy make them want to counter him

so uncountered zed = op because he is owerloaded with sheer power of ad and rahter good base damage while countered zed= up because crapload of his power goes out through the window

if those options are 50%/50% he is balanced

Knight SoIaire Sep 16, 20151 votes

but those options cant be 50/50

zed will always get countered because he is op and countering is the only way to survive but he will always get countered at a different time and sometimes with different methods that have different costs

if enemy has a tahm kench in their team ... zed is countered at every fight tahm is present and he is countered for free ... meaning that zed never had any power in said game

the same applies to kayle and will apply to kindred once "they" are released not to mention lissandra

overall the way riot handled zed is pretty toxic

they intentionally allowed certain items and certain abilities to remove his ultimate ... and as a compensation they overloaded him with raw power that is also tied to his ultimate in the end zed has a variable amount of power ... and the amount of power he has doesnt really depend on him

KONO RUBICK DASep 16, 20151 votes

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but those options cant be 50/50

zed will always get countered because he is op and countering is the only way to survive but he will always get countered at a different time and sometimes with different methods that have different costs

if enemy has a tahm kench in their team ... zed is countered at every fight tahm is present and he is countered for free ... meaning that zed never had any power in said game

the same applies to kayle and will apply to kindred once "they" are released not to mention lissandra

overall the way riot handled zed is pretty toxic

they intentionally allowed certain items and certain abilities to remove his ultimate ... and as a compensation they overloaded him with raw power that is also tied to his ultimate

i hope they move some power of his ulti to his spells then

Knight SoIaire Sep 17, 20151 votes

but his ult simply deals a % of the damage he deals wherever you put some power in ... it ends in his ult

KONO RUBICK DASep 17, 20151 votes

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but his ult simply deals a % of the damage he deals wherever you put some power in ... it ends in his ult

reduce the base damage from 100% of his AD to 40% of his AD-> then buff his other spells

Knight SoIaire Sep 17, 20151 votes

the mark detonation deals a % of the damage he dealt with his autos passive and other skills

his kit is made all around that ultimate and everything in his kit somehow interacts with his ultimate you buff his q = you buff his ult

Rabid HuskySep 17, 20151 votes

you know that means its the equivalent of a auto attack right

DrCyanideSep 17, 20151 votes

Tahm doesn't have invulnerability, nor does he grant invulnerability. Unless there's some odd timing thing with his ultimate, but auto attacking him once stops that.

DurzakaSep 17, 20151 votes

Are you saying Tahm's E is a counter to Zeds ult?

Because the target in Tahm's stomach arent invulnerable, they are simply untargetable. Death Mark will still kill the target.

Rabid HuskySep 17, 20151 votes

zed is good but takes skill very risk reward as well, he can only jump to a shadow once his passive reactivates on the same target after 10 seconds he has to hit you first with his q and his e only counts for one hit only increasing the slow his shadow does, his ult is 100% scaling true but its basically a auto attack and 20/35/ 50% of the damage HE does in 3 seconds,i should know i main him mid and actually have gotten outplayed and ran into smart opponents who dodge everything i throw at them.zed can be a bit oppressive if you let him. get cc grab a zhonyas that's his biggest counter and negates the one thing on his kit that's point and click. btw tho you forgot Fiora with proper timing her reposit can nullify both stages of zeds ult the initial mark stopping the actual start of it and the detonation