Better ADC wins?

Hexs Fortune·Aug 13, 2017·41 votes·3,363 views

I feel the meta somehow shifted from the better jungle wins to the better ADC wins

58 Comments

AimléssAug 13, 201733 votes

More like "Jungler who camps bot lane wins"

AirKingNeoAug 13, 20177 votes

Camping bot lane is a stupid idea and it loses games. Camp top and mid so they can snowball botlane through the mid game. That's how the game always worked. 2 item top laner is drastically stronger than 2 item ADC.

Umbra ZAug 13, 201717 votes

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Camping bot lane is a stupid idea and it loses games. Camp top and mid so they can snowball botlane through the mid game. That's how the game always worked. 2 item top laner is drastically stronger than 2 item ADC.

But then your botlane feeds the tristana and she melts your toplaner faster than they can cc her

AimléssAug 13, 20173 votes

As someone who plays ADC when you play the fair ones, not Trist, Twitch, or Draven, you have a lot less power. And the vast majority of my lanes are won by junglers, or go even till someone 4 man dives, etc. Contrary to when I play mid, the ADC has a lot less control on whether they get fed or not, not counting the unfair ones.

SiytherAug 13, 20171 votes

if your own jungler doesnt camp for you its hard to get anything done in bot lane right now. Ive almost stopped playing it. I hate having to wait til 30 plus min to hit a good spot where i can do something cause 80% of the time the enemy is swarming the nexus by then. Game is way to snowbally for adc to do much of anything but get carried. Hate not being able to have an impact early to mid game. Support are easier to find right now than adc's lol which is funny enough but really tells the story of how much it sucks to play in the 4 man bot era. Thanks to tower first blood it's become the norm for ppl to 4 man dive bot kill adc take tower then drag and snowball heavily. Honestly it doesnt take much to set an adc so far behind by doing this that they dont even get to play league of legends after 4 min in. I for one am fed up with this meta.

ExecutionerAug 13, 20171 votes

To be on the receiving end of that shit? Most of the time you are not coming back till late game. If the game lasts that long. You get behind as an ADC may as well pack up and be a pile of gold.

ExecutionerAug 13, 20172 votes

For the most part I was fine with this, however you said tristana is unfair? What the actual fuck? What makes her unfair? She is a fair champion.

Tristana was neither buff nor nerfed for a while.

3TWarriorAug 13, 20171 votes

they might be referring to her status as an actual siege champion that destroys towers in the blink of an eye

couple that with that she has a buff of 110% to her attack speed and things get serious with her builds

ExecutionerAug 13, 20173 votes

She was always this way, a good pushing ADC in a lane. Destroys turrets, however the only time she didn't destroy turrets was before her E got changed. Other than that, she was always pushed fairly well. Along with her attack speed Q to get it truly going. I just dont understand people. She has been like this for around 3 seasons ever since she got changed.

3TWarriorAug 13, 20172 votes

I don't think she's in a bad spot. She's actually one of the more tolerable ADCs where she has clear windows of power

probably the only annoying thing about her is her E where she can get increasing damage harass

the stat increase is perhaps a bit high, but compare that to the utility in other kits and it's much less annoying...she's not even the goto champion for range anymore thanks to Caitlyn

Votable JesterAug 13, 20172 votes

A champion doesn't have to be directly changed to become stronger.

Crit items became less expensive (making all crit adcs stronger), and other adcs have been nerfed (making her stronger relative to them).

ExecutionerAug 13, 2017

your acting like 100 or 200 gold means something in the middle of the game. Like it doesn't take you one minute or a jungle camp to get that said so item.

If the game is shortening down, why would you keep all the items the same?

Static shiv - 2500 to 2600, Season 5

Runaan's Hurricane - Is about the only item that has changed prices the most out of all the items. Highest point of cost though was 2750 now its 2600.

Phantom Dancer - Another item that has changed prices quite a bit. The highest its been was 2845, however for the longest time it was 2800, and now its 2600.

Rapid Fire Cannon - Went from 2500 to 2600.

Crit items becoming less expensive doesn't make them "stronger". The items are becoming more affordable for the pace of the game.

Votable JesterAug 13, 20173 votes

One minute is a very significant amount of time in this game. It could mean the difference between having that completed item vs just its components during that baron fight for instance.

Being more affordable without nerfing their stats makes them more cost-efficient and therefore stronger.

Hey we could make Rabadon's Deathcap cost only 2k gold. Don't worry, it's not like it's any stronger than it was before >_>

AimléssAug 13, 20171 votes

Vayne is also unfair but I didn't mention her cause her early game is at least trash. Tristana has always been unfair because she has soooo much disengage and she doesn't sacrifice any damage for it. And Caitlyn wasn't really changed at all season 6, yet somehow in season 7 she's OP, buffs or nerfs don't really matter. Champs can be unfair for a long time, but no one says anything till everyone catches on.

Compare Tristana to Varus, he has NO mobility, he has a root, but he has to land skill shots to deal damage, and is really cooldown reliant. Tristana has all that mobility, a disengage ultimate, doesn't have to land any skill shots, is burstier, and isn't as cooldown reliant as Varus. Why exactly would I play Varus over her? Maybe the root, but she outshines him in every category besides CC.

ExecutionerAug 13, 2017

Tristana isn't unfair still in my opinion. It's not till everyone catchs on, it's when some other adcs get nerfed that that said champion can bloom once again.

PrinceOfStormsAug 14, 20172 votes

Things don't become busted because they get buffed, they get busted because everything else gets nerfed.

ExecutionerAug 14, 2017

That makes no sense to be honest. Yes I get what your trying to get, however it makes no sense.

Just because everything else got nerfed doesn't make that new adc busted. It just makes it the next best thing.

Lets say everything gets nerfed, and ezreal doesn't get touched. Is he busted because all the others got nerfed? No, because he wasn't doing good, so now he is the next best thing. However now you will see mostly ezreal and the next second best ADC.

Does that make ezreal busted because everyone else got nerfed? No, his damage output never changed, therefore is he busted? No.

PrinceOfStormsAug 14, 20171 votes

The problem is that ADCs in general are by definition busted (since they are without exception stat check champions that Riot would rework into oblivion coughRyzecough were they any other class) and all that changes is which is FotM.

Honestly, Riot should just either nerf the class until its collective winrate is under 5% or delete it entirely and rework the champions into something that's less cancerous.

ExecutionerAug 14, 2017

Yeah I gotta love the extreme bias from you. Always gives me a good chuckle. Look, no class is busted, only said champion would be busted. Is ezreal busted? Kindred? Varus? Jhin? No, only a champion would be busted. Taking the entire class and throwing them into such a broad statement is selfish.

Make all the winrates under 5%? Jesus man, calm down with the bias.

Or just reworking them? What the fuck do you want them to be then? What will be the point of taking 20+ odd champs just giving them an entire rework? At this point, I feel like I am talking to a troll.

GayFluffyUnicornAug 13, 20171 votes

Lol nope. Just because "it always worked" doesn't mean it still works. Two items adc with censor and locket/vow/redemption enchanter supp will make your toplaner look like a cannon minion.

OtterlyLostAug 14, 20171 votes

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More like "Jungler who camps bot lane wins"

^ This is honestly true. Its a combo of which jungler ganks bot lane first and how good the botlane actually is with more leaning on whether the jungler is good or not than the bot lane. :/

AFK PushAug 14, 20171 votes

Hey, that means it will go back to "top is an island meta." Oh wait, there has always been more incentive to go bot or mid most of the time. I'm still on the island and I haven't left yet.

Big LincolnAug 13, 20178 votes

"whoever has ardent first wins"

Ariel the CruelAug 13, 20177 votes

Nami Day 6 487. They still haven't noticed me. . .

ExecutionerAug 13, 2017

I literally cannot stand playing against nami.

notice me Sin piAug 14, 20171 votes

did u just downvote urself?? i definitely am aware that people on boards tend to downvote others for having an opinion, but still... i use FEK so i can see number of upvotes and downvotes, n there's not even the default 1 upvote that all comments get

ExecutionerAug 14, 2017

Nope, never down voted myself. I just turned off the auto upvoting myself. That is it. I like see how many actually downvote me.

HeresyHorusAug 14, 20171 votes

Who cares about Nami when u can play Ashe Caitlyn Graves ( his ability to fully apply item 3071 with 1 auto is so troll as a support ) Jinx MissFortune Quinn as support with item 3022 item 3109 item 3190 item 3401 , do good and get a guaranteed S for a + Chest every time.

U can thank me after u get ur 4 Chests today.

Ariel the CruelAug 14, 20171 votes

I actually meant that as supports generically. XD

BarbaJhiniAug 13, 20171 votes

Lol she recently got a buff

BALDG1VEN BOOMERAug 13, 20176 votes

But how on earth does someone win a war of right clicking?

http://i0.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/004/077/Raisins_Face.jpg

GrokmirAug 13, 20176 votes

It has always been whoever 4-5 man ganks bot first wins, regardless of which bot is better.

I've "lost" so many lanes while 50 cs up on the enemy adc simply because the enemy mid/jungle sat bot all game with occassional top tp tower dive of course.

ExecutionerAug 13, 20172 votes

I feel ya. Such a shitty feeling when that happens.

ZerenzaAug 13, 20171 votes

Yeah i hate when i'm playing mid and can't roam with my opponent so they 4 man bot lane. It pisses me off because if i could do something i would have but my enemy lane made it hard for me to.

jwebb0113Aug 13, 20175 votes

seems like the team who plays better wins...

i dunno maybe thats a strange meta

Warlord RhinarkAug 13, 20173 votes

To be fair, ADC has "carry" in the name so it makes more sense that the better carry wins rather than the better pseudo-support (jungler) wins.

Cereal420Aug 13, 201710 votes

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To be fair, ADC has "carry" in the name so it makes more sense that the better carry wins rather than the better pseudo-support (jungler) wins.

just cus they have carry in the name doesnt mean that theres 4 supports and one carry. this adc meta is bullshit

Warlord RhinarkAug 13, 20171 votes

I agree. I was just trying to make a point.

GayFluffyUnicornAug 13, 20173 votes

yet when i play a carry top it doesn't matter how good i play :thinking:

Magical ZoeAug 13, 20171 votes

My last game was exactly this. Was 5/0 at mid in 12 min. Still lost the game.

SalsonAug 13, 20173 votes

I think it's more like better botlane wins.

The new support items basicallly fused them into a single supper carry.

MizayaAug 13, 20173 votes

If one team doesn't stomp earlygame, teamcomp basically decides the game given that no player on either team plays terribly.

BlakiepugAug 13, 20173 votes

I'm still surprised that Twitch hasn't been touched yet. :|

Need Gold 4 TentAug 13, 20172 votes

Nah, still the jungler. Mirror Ashe matchup last game, pretty much was our Kayn assassinating her and their Rengar+Rhaast assassinating me all game. Scores similar, although I'd say I did slightly worse.

Gentleman JeyAug 14, 20172 votes

Roaming Mid lane wins.

RaiyzaAug 14, 20171 votes

Nah, it's the better support. I can position well and harass correctly all lane phase long, but if my support gets too close trying to harass, like my Brand did in my last game, the lane is lost. Or if my support doesn't peel properly/engage properly, then fuckin shit that fight is over.

Mostly because of autofill. Fuckin sucks.

Sp33d Zer0Aug 14, 20171 votes

Weird, as an ADC it feels like "which ever bot gets the most help" wins.

hhaavviikkAug 14, 20171 votes

it's been like that since season 1, of course the better ADC wins, they can win games when protected

KloqdqAug 14, 20171 votes

Been like that since forever. Even at the beginning of the season it was basically which team camped bot harder that won the game, leading to their adc getting stronger and winning the game in turn. ADC is the most flawed class in league, nothing new.