Pyke and Sylas are emblematic of the problems with more recent champs/reworks

Tr4shB4NSYST3M·5/25/2019, 5:25:56 AM·45 votes·12,979 views

Akali also falls into this category to a degree, although much less so since riot wisely removed her shroud's obscuring under turrets.

But the problem with a handful of recent champions is that they just have SO MUCH packed into their kit, that while they are designed with certain weaknesses in mind, they have so much packed into their kit that once a High level player masters that champ they can use the many strengths of the kit to easily mitigate/work-around the supposed weakness. On to my 2 examples from the title.

Sylas: The champ has one of the most overloaded kits I have seen in all of my time playing league. He is jam packed with utility (including the utility of every ult on the enemy team, which that alone is absolutely insane), and his QWE/passive is damn near a whole kits worth of power on its own for a simpler fighter champion, He has a shield and a missing hp heal for sustain, 2 forms of mobility one free one conditional, as well as an aoe knockup! So what is Sylas weakness? The argument is because he is melee the counter is a beefier melee champ that goes toe to toe and wins, or a poke champ that can abuse him being melee. But in practice, for the poke champ Sylas kit is practically designed for diving on and going all in on squishier champs sustaining thru thier damage w/ shield and missing hp heal and killing them potentially with their own ult. And for the beefy melee sylas sustains through or dodges their damage and with his chain lash pokes them. So in effect he really doesn't have clear weaknesses.

Pyke : This champ believe it or not has nearly as much utility in his kit as sylas, probably not quite because of the variety of ults sylas can steal, but Pyke is certainly close. Pyke is a better example than Sylas because Pykes weakness is actually highlighted by his kit's passive where as sylas's weakness is just some vague "he's a melee mage idk." Pykes weakness is the Yi weakness, CC lockdown and burst, and it is a very clear weakness as I'm sure you have seen in your soloQ games with unskilled or inexperienced pyke players. The problem is, nearly all of the rest of his kit is built around countering that weakness, with his Q being the least suited to countering it tho it does still help him. His healing passive basically means anything but a successful all in (Killing pyke) is pretty pointless except for MAYBE forcing him out of lane to gain priority, his long cooldowns arent much of a weakness because of the abundance of CDR in his build, and His E>W is one of the better counters to an all in.
But where this champ really gets disgusting is in the chaos of teamfights, His Q is relatively easy to hit in a 5v5 scenario with its forgiving hitbox to start off the fight, and his E, W, and R all have repositioning components, and while you are focusing visible carries Pyke, the AOE teamfight resetting assassin support is setting up a stun on multiple team members, and Because of his insanely overloaded Ult (seriously tho, sylas ult and pyke ult are really in competition for most disgusting ults in the game), He has way more damage potential than you would expect, his ult is AOE, and in a teamfight aoe skills are FAR EASIER to hit expecially with such a miniscule delay on it.

Seriously though, whoever thought that An AOE execute threshold (True dmg) and physical to those above threshold, that ignores shields, resets on kill or if they die on top of the animation, and gives pyke a brief invulnerability frame was fair and reasonable was smoking some extra potent PCP that evening.

89 Comments

XJ999999999999995/25/2019, 8:55:26 AM26 votes

sylas is insane because hes a champ thats designed to fight and actually do well without an ult.

D357R0Y3R5/25/2019, 12:31:40 PM9 votes

But hey, according to the boards only certainlyt creates overloaded champions!

Targon5/25/2019, 3:28:55 PM8 votes

There are two things that have always bothered me about Pyke.

  1. Death from Below granting both him and the most recent assisting ally full kill gold is just bonkers to me. That's so much extra gold generated for his team when he kills. I've always felt it should grant Pyke the assist gold, and his assisting ally the kill gold.

  2. There's almost no incentive to putting more than 1 point into Ghostwater Dive. The ability is very strong for a rank 1 ability, and putting points into it only reduces the base cooldown by 0.5 seconds. The mana cost, duration, and movement speed bonus stay the same. I've always thought that this ability should be weaker at earlier ranks.

EATARI5/25/2019, 3:34:42 PM4 votes

I can’t speak much on Pyke because I don’t play him and haven’t laned against him much, but Sylas absolutely has weaknesses. (Also you said he has an AOE knock up, but it’s only single target.) His biggest weakness early is his cooldowns. The design of his kit leads to a choice to either spread his abilities and attacks out, reducing his burst but also reducing his down time or bursting with Q-E-AA-E-AA-W-AA all in 2 seconds. The second play style leaves him with nothing to do for 4 seconds early and he’s standing right in front of you. Secondly, his ultimate is on an incredibly long cooldown in lane, and very few ults have any synergy with his kit. The few that do are usually tank ults like Malphite and Cho’ Gath’s. I’m starting to ramble so I’ll just finish by saying that Sylas is far from busted, although it would be nice if Kingslayer’s heal didn’t scale from AP.

Ragnaveil5/25/2019, 4:40:29 PM2 votes

Guess we are just gonna forget the nerfs he got hit with that killed any viability of a tank build for Sylas, which also hurt his durability for ANY build. 9.7: Abscond Cooldown increased 18 / 16 / 14 / 12 / 10 seconds from 12 / 11.5 / 11 / 10.5 / 10. 9.6: Kingslayer Heal AP ratio reduced to 40% AP from 45% AP. Bonus healing at low-health reduced to 75% from 100% 9.5 Kingslayer Base heal changed to 60 / 80 / 100 / 120 / 140 from 50 / 80 / 110 / 140 / 170.

The fucking heal is non-existent unless you rush a Deathcap, deadass. The ability is only good for damage right now, thats it. And E's cd just hurts any dueling potential he has. Tired of people calling this champ OP when shit was done to fix it. No, they bitched so much he cant do much toplane without someone beating his ass in 24/7. This is why Boards is never really listened to.