Silver 2 promos so fun!

Tr4shB4NSYST3M·11/4/2019, 8:39:01 PM·23 votes·13,217 views

First game was a win, unfortunately it was too smooth and I had a bad feeling about the next ones. My bad feeling was 100% correct, 2 absoultely uncarryable teams in a row. At least the 3rd game I had one other player not inting, but there isn't much me and trist can do when Mid/top/support go 1-28-12.

Thankfully it left me at 86 LP so 1 win gets me back to promos. But do Yall know the term "artificial difficulty?" Like when a boss fight wont have complex mechanics that you have to learn, but will have a ton of HP. Artificial difficulty is exactly how this promo series felt to me, it didn't feel like: "you've won 5 in a row so your MMR is up a bit and your matched with better team-mates AND enemies" it felt like: "oh you won 5 in a row? Can you carry an 0-9 botlane or an aatrox that rushes guinsoos?"

I know, I know, its probably largely because I'm right under the fattest part of the MMR average curve, so the quality of players im matched with can be highly volatile, I get that this is the reason for it, but good lord it feels like shit.

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5050BS11/4/2019, 9:00:48 PM19 votes

Promo games are always like this. Riot does not just match you vs enemies that are of the rank you are going to, they also put complete trash on your team.

Its their way of blocking old accounts from promoting. They hard lock accounts and give you yo-yo games so you keep trying for the carrot.

Smurf accounts can jump right over silver and silver is the worst rank because Riot puts new accounts in upper silver completely ruining the MMR system. You get Smurfs and you get Iron players.

Riot does not let old accounts improve. You are locked unless you boost.

General Esdeath 11/5/2019, 3:17:36 AM9 votes

Careful, you'll get the Riot Knights who will tell you that you're at the elo you belong in! Even though silver is where they throw new players, so you get smurfing players, boosters, and new players who suck.

Paul Rei 0011/4/2019, 9:27:30 PM9 votes

{quoted} Artificial difficulty is exactly how this promo series felt to me, it didn't feel like: "you've won 5 in a row so your MMR is up a bit and your matched with better team-mates AND enemies" it felt like: "oh you won 5 in a row? Can you carry an 0-9 botlane or an aatrox that rushes guinsoos?"

I just finished a game which is proving that all those MMR/ELO, your personal skill, ranks, levels -- all this is a complete garbage.

I am a support main, I was trying may best in this game (and I may say we won lane) but..... A guy from our top lane just go into 0/4/0 playing Kenen (he had 20% win rate on Kenen) and ended up the game with 2/8 Jungle was a tilt-proof guy, but he is just bad at mechanics Mid and my ADC laner was acceptable.

What i want to say with all this? I want to say that I better wait 5 minutes to get a properly matched team than wait for 10 sec. and get autofilled mates from random ranks. For example this last game: My team --- Bronze 1, Silver 3, Silver 3, Silver 3 (me), Silver 4 Enemy team --- Silver 1, Silver 2, Silver 3, Gold 3 and Gold 2.

Why Bronze players playing vs. Gold players? It is obvious that they will lose a whole game. According to Ranked queue limitations, "Bronze Tier: Can only queue with Iron, Bronze and Silver Tier players.", BUT they can play versus them.

Riot just don't give a sht about their rules, and match making.

Captainn Ginyu11/5/2019, 12:24:45 AM5 votes

i still 100% believe that riot pairs people in there promos with bad teams in hopes that you will carry them

Aeonian Supreme11/4/2019, 9:51:36 PM4 votes

Took me and my friends months to get out of silver, idk what to tell you besides keep going at it and eventually you'll get there. Unfortunately, it gets worse as you climb. Not only do people lack game sense, it seems that the vast majority of players have no fucking common sense at all. There will be feeders/soft inters, ragers, afks, etc almost every game. Riot doesn't punish trolls, but they'll ban you if you try to call them out--I suggest muting all (minus pings) every game, ping instead of type. I personally turned off the allied/all-chat to stop myself from typing

Kai Guy11/4/2019, 10:27:00 PM4 votes

I know, I know, its probably largely because I'm right under the fattest part of the MMR average curve, so the quality of players im matched with can be highly volatile, I get that this is the reason for it, but good lord it feels like shit.

I am pretty vocal about not letting people use provably wrong excuses for MM, but your entirely correct about individual match quality issues generated with the curve location.

Despite telling people over and over how Forced and rigged MM is a BS theory. There are legitimate things that will be frustrating as all hell. Being near the center of the curves rough. You have the misplaced players sinking, You have misplaced players climbing. Center sees the most chaos and its also the highest population of players by definition and design.

I am always down for QOL, MM on Riots end can see improvements. Some of that's community related, setting the right expectations. Blending new accounts into the curve is necessary, Does not take the sting out of the match. Even if Riot published what protections are in place or how many games K variable needs before it slows down, it is reactive after the fact MMR algorithm that protects some ones rating. The game that went to shit is going to still be awful. Couple weeks back I demoted 3 divisions due to low quality games caused by player behavior, I blame the players for that.

As long as there is enough population in the que, You can have MM look to match K variables/# of games. Putting weight on say building teams where there is as many players with a "veterans" badge. Trying to keep people from being placed RNG into back to back high uncertainty games. I don't know what riot does, I do know I have not seen any comments in their publications that their MM puts weight on experience/uncertainty. Its part of why I will tell folks I think their system has to much weight on quick games. Open to being wrong, this is my opinion and thus helps folks understand my Bias.

But forced promos are silly. There's no need to make them any harder, hell most players seem to do that for themselves by freaking out and "trying harder" to win during promos. I don't get that, how you played consistently prior is literally how you got into a promo series to start with. Freaking out and changing your playstyle or losing you head with teammates is shooting yourself in the foot. Now I said you, to its a hypothetical person not intended to represent YOU specifically. Its observable in games, folks who scream IM IN PROMOS DONT FK UP IDIOTS. Rage in all chat, Or say "in promos" Then play balls to the wall aggressive trying to snowball hard carry and feed their asses off doing it.

Personally, I don't give a shit about promos, that's my mentality. https://imgur.com/a/489AYlE That's the result. From G4 to P4. I failed 1 set and lost all of 3 games inside of a promo. I used to care a lot in earlier years, Till I learned more about how and why an accounts MMR > Rank. To show some players how little promotional series mattered I took extra time and effort to build a super large Gap of MMR and rank on My support alt. https://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=NotNotkaiguy In doing so, I completely skipped every promo from B1 to S1. The only set I played was the G4 promos and I did that only because my MMR was to low and it was very time consuming to dodge lobbies to fail series over and over and my net MMR income was not dramatic enough. As some one who claims to be High Gold to Low Plat there is nothing to shocking in the results. Pretty much as expected, on my main and on my alt.

Smurfs do damage the game, partly because to get lower on the ladder requires losses. Dodge and remake don't remove MMR. It needs to be legit losses. So... they aim to force losses. To keep a smurf in lower MMR, you have to balance wins/losses. So they Stomp and Throw games. That's a negative for quality. They don't however keep people down single handedly.

Hypothetically, If Riot Did want to make some devious "prove it" Promo system. As I think the priority is faster que time so rather then sit and look and hope you have the random resources in the que to artificially add difficulty, There is a really simple way to do so with out looking to force teams, and with out relying RNG human behavior. All they have to do is change your MMR value to represent the Mean value for the Rank-Division MMR range if your MMR is lower then the range your aiming to promote into, that only impacts accounts who are established with low K variables as the MMR to rank gap doesn't get as dramatic.

That impacts all accounts, it does not require proactive searching, it does not impact que creation times, and it screws folks trying to abuse Duo or lowered MMR to creep into a higher Rank, and all ya need is the ability to function into that range for it to not be a negative impact. Given match averages, I don't think Riot does this. Just that there's a pretty easy and logical way to make it "gatekeeper" with out having to try and control results.

Feel free to hit me up if ya want a hand. No one really seems willing to listen so just gonna try to walk my talk more.

TyRamos11/4/2019, 11:16:05 PM3 votes

Promos are hell. I got super lucky that I had a duo the entire time and my MMR was super high so I was getting 35 lp a win and losing 8. Even then one game I got an adc teemo i think it was and another game while i was silver 2 everyone else was mid gold EXCEPT there was a random bronze on my team. That was fun.

Fegone11/5/2019, 6:47:13 PM2 votes

I feel ya. Climbed to S2 very very easily, went to 94LP, and suddenly Riot enabled Hard Mode for me, putting me with at least 1 troll or afk every freaking game. I think I lost 9+ games in a row, getting demoted, and now being back in S3 with 30LP or so. This is so BS, people who are such obvious trolls need to just get banned sooner. I hardly believe all these trolls I get are doing it the very first time.

Skeleton Matrix11/5/2019, 11:23:31 PM2 votes

rigged to keep you playing longer. best business tactic ever created. DrMundo

Tr4shB4NSYST3M11/4/2019, 11:18:05 PM2 votes

Update: was MUUUUUUUUCH easier the 2nd time around, won 2 in a row from 86 LP, and w/ the free win Im now s2. now just 100 LP + 3 wins to go Haha

KyraSun11/5/2019, 7:52:53 AM2 votes

I have it too, my promos always start with one win but 2 loses, and when i get one free win, i win one game to get back in promos and lose 2 to lose promos again.

Alevity Xiaku11/5/2019, 8:12:58 PM2 votes

If you deserve to climb then you should be the best player in the game every time. If you're matched with 9 other silvers and you think you're gold then you should be better than the 9 other players. Thing is you have 4 bad players and they have 5 bad players.

If you don't think the 5 enemy players are bad then you don't think you deserve to climb which means you need to improve. Ranked climb is about consistency. Outlier games happen but if you made it to promos, why can't you just make it again? I demoted to Gold 3 from Gold 1, but I'm not gonna blame teammates. I just know I can get back to Gold 1. And from there, I know Golds are trash so I should make it out. You need the confidence, don't blame your teammates, they're supposed to be worse players than you.

Azazel Aerternum11/6/2019, 10:28:08 AM1 votes

Yeah, I feel that

I was in my placement matches, won every game but the two with trolls / afk inting players that refused to play properly, ignored ALL Calls, and repeatedly suicided

You don't necessarily have to play 'my way', but you most definitely should not be moving up alone in an area without ward coverage while the entire enemy team is missing, with death timers over 50 seconds

He did it many, many times (20 deaths in total) => he kept invading and feeding the enemy jungler

My Placement rank is going to be low enough that I'll need to carry my way through to Gold, but my MMR is high enough that I'll actually have to fight mid to high Gold and Plat players just to get to Gold V. I'm not 100% sure, but I think that many Gold players I've encountered (and Plat too) may have bought their account, or that they were grandfathered into the Rank, b/c there's no way they would get through Bronze to Silver as is. For reference, I've seen a dude with a sub-40% average winrate that was somehow Gold 4...

Dope Solo11/5/2019, 12:56:35 AM1 votes

You can get to promos? How do you handle Season 9's feeder matchmaking? https://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/3194255994/235846497?tab=overview

ContempterX11/5/2019, 8:25:11 AM1 votes

I feel you, but dont worry bro its all the same in Platinum

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