...or is Janna dangerously close to becoming a self-peeling ADC? A lot of crit items have built in MS to go with her new passive, her shield grants AD, she has semi decent range on auto attacks now, her attack animation is cleaner now and she has more self-peel then a robotic banana. I honestly can't think of anything more terrifying then an ADC with the self-peeling power of Janna.
chipndip19 votesWhy are we hyping up this shitty passive?
IT IS LITERALLY 35 BONUS DAMAGE PER 100 BONUS MOVE SPEED
KoKoboto2 votesFree wits end... busted.
StoryDuck1 votesHahaha, I know man. I think she is dangerously close to becoming an ADC is all. (also don't forget her +50 AD shield). With all the refocus on her auto attacks she's awfully close to becoming an ADC with insane self-peel. Do you remember when ADC Ahri was a thing for a short time? AD Kennen is still a thing too. It isn't always about damage buffs because AD itemization is really strong right now. Where she might not have the raw damage she might make up for in survivablity.
Tik1152 votesThis is their plan
Make Janna a giant problem then gut her in a full rework citing that "In her pre-rework state she was impossible to balance and was made too safe"
KoKoboto2 votesLol I can see that being a possibility xD
She has 2 damage steroids, she has moderate waveclear with Q (any marksmen gets waveclear once they get stattik shiv), and well that's all you need really lol.
StoryDuck2 votesI see it now,
or some variation of. Then throw stormraider's surge onto her for even more dps.
crzymdscntst1 votes
?
(Utilize the double on-hit every other hit, combo AP to amp her AP scalings. AD and AS otherwise.)
woodvsmurph2 votesThey dropped the spammability of her shield. This opens windows for counter-attack. Although I don't think it was needed, she got tons of damage increase via attack speed (i think), bonus magic damage per movespeed, and attack range. The idea behind it is that this will bait more janna players into trading aggressively with aa's even when shield is down - opening more windows for enemies to punish such a squishy champ in laning phase. If they just nerfed her e cd, then players would just hide even more behind their adc and play around e cd. Leaving you the option of punishing her adc, but probably never punishing janna. So passive janna players see slight decrease in laning phase bullying since shield has longer cd. Aggressive janna players who are bad at dodging skillshots are punished by being caught in over-aggression with their aa's and die when shield is on cd. And aggressive players who dodge are rewarded with much stronger laning phase vs current/old janna.
I see why they did it. But yeah, I'm afraid it's very possible for triforce or manamune or essence reaver (some kinda mana sustain needed) janna adc either in bot or in solo lane to become viable. Maybe the shield cd will be helpful, but the other buffs are going to be super annoying and outweigh that shield cd at lower elo for sure. Once people get more used to it, maybe it will even out.
StoryDuck1 votesNow imagine Janna Q having AD scaling :)
woodvsmurph1 votesYou forgot to add %hp damage on her w scaling off her movespeed - so she can deal with tanks in toplane and galio mid. Maybe a mana refund on her e if she kills 2+ minions with it active, so she isn't so reliant on mana items if she wants to spam abilities.
StoryDuck1 votesthat would work too :)
Irelia Bot2 votesI was more hoping for her to become more of an Azir like mage.
All this talking about it has me feeling a need to go try her on the PBE
StoryDuck1 votesI don't think she can ADC yet but she's awfully close to being able to. I think that is why they nerfed her base AD damage because Riot is worried about an AD Janna as well.
Vallalan1 votesno. just no. stop and think.
janna will have 550 auto range and no ad scalings on any of her abilities.
no attack speed steroids either. 550 range is VAYNE range which is really short effective dps range. vayne is actually trash because of this despite the fact she is absolutely busted in terms of dps/mobility and even she has a form of self peel (condemn)
Janna is not "dangerously close" to being an adc. if you want self peel you would go tristana who is mobile, has resets, burst damage, longer range, attack speed steroids, her abilities scale with ad, and some of the best self peel for adcs in the game. or xayah who also attack speed, damage steroids, untargetability, wave clear, poke, and burst damage.
the only enchanter who could theoretically be close to being an adc is lulu and thats because she has an attack speed steroid and an auto enhancer in pix. her W can also be used offensively in a 1 v 1 to win that as well.
however, lulu only has 500 range, even less than Vayne and zero abilities that scale with AD that she can use to harass with or even team fight with. which means her team fight and laning effective threat range is 500. which is trash. thats lucian without the mobility or damage.
no. just....no.
StoryDuck1 votesis Janna dangerously close to becoming
Not an ADC, just close to becoming one.
Lol, scary thought though isn't it? You're brain won't allow you to even consider that she is like 1 step away from being an ADC. Imagine her Q with AD scaling or her new passive dealing %HP damage base on bonus MS instead of a flat amount :)
Vallalan1 votesshes not even close to becoming one. read my post. i explained why with logic and reason. she is not a few changes. she would systematically have to be reworked.
its not that my brain wont allow it to consider it. its that I've thought about it and its not even close. you are really stretching here. good try though.
StoryDuck1 votesI am never wrong and will never admit to being wrong.
That sum up how you feel; because your arguing that there is no way to imagine in anyway that a buff could put Janna into the ADC role. Kennen can be an ADC, Ahri was an ADC for a time, Orianna ADC was a thing until they nerfed her passive same with Thresh (want more?). ADC isn't some ridged formula. It's not something that fits in a box every time. ADCs can be chosen into all kinds of different situations. Sometimes an ADC is chosen for utility and survivability rather then raw damage output. If Janna's AA damage becomes viable as an ADC she could be a scary character. The fact that you can't even admit that %HP damage scaling with MS would put her into the realm of ADCs just shows how much you are willing to ignore anything that makes you wrong.
Mysticman891 votesShe always was one of my favourite support champs to play as 'adc' in modes like nemesis or occasionally aram if we otherwise had no viable adcs.
Her passive movespeed already functions as an always on version of vaynes passive, and the AD from her e is at least some sort of steroid. With upcoming increased in range and some extra on-hit damage, it becomes slightly juicier when those situations arise.
I don't think she'll actually be viable though. If you're busy trying to self-peel, then you're not likely outputting your adc damage very effectively, and if you aren't trying to self-peel then you're just a worse version of other AA focused ADCs who have longer range and/or more abilities/passives to synergise with their AAs.
Sohleks1 votesShe'll be able to. But it'll be like Lulu. "Viable" but when was the last time you seen it? Low dmg.
Need Gold 4 Tent1 votesI could see her go for a Kayle type magic dps build with an emphasis on movespeed. She's gonna get a lot of hybrid damage because the movespeed scales magic on-hit, AP scales Nashor's and her abilities, but also gives her shield (which she will now use on herself) more AD.
I don't think crit AD will work too well because her base AD got gutted, and you're using an E steroid to barely be on par with the base stats of other AD.
Sukishoo1 votesShe's already been able to do this though lol. I've always loved to play her as an ADC, did that awhile back with a Zac support and they couldn't stop us.
0 Hogapu1 votesDon't forget that she loses 6 base ad, then 1.5 ad/lvl, while also reducing her hp. This cant work, really ^^
Sire Hippington1 votesher base ad is shit, the base as isn't that great, and while the new passive helps with trades in lane, it's impact later on isn't that massive. Might still work with new range and a bit more as/lvl, but i still expect her to perform better at supporting an actual carrie rather than doing it herself.
One of the issues for adc janna is that she'd prefer as/crit for the ad boost form her shield and the passive on-hit, yet her high manacosts basically force her to get ER.