Is this a viable new strategy? Five Tank Lane?

Tentacle Love·Jan 15, 2015·30 votes·10,877 views

Tanky ADC (Graves, Urgot) Tanky Support (Leona, Braum) Tanky Mid (Cho'Gath?) Tanky Top (Nasus, Riven?) Tanky Jungle (Elise, Sejuani, every other jungler except lee sin)

Have the entire team build the new ZZrot Portal as their second item or so, and when laning phase nears its end, have all 5 portals placed in one lane. Grief the crap out of the enemy team by defending those portals with your tanky selves. When they're forced to extend to take out the portals, close in on targets of opportunity and force them to back or die.

If you're really lucky, they will try to send someone through the jungle to take out the portals from the side, over the walls. that should be an easy kill if you have wards up.

But then I might be overestimating the tanky stats of the new item.

62 Comments

RiotRiot SweetJan 15, 201530 votes

There are a lot of viable strategies not widely talked about or strategized around. Sometimes I'll pass a group of Rioters testing out a new comp for fun (ADC blitz lanes, 4 supports 1 adc, double split push). Or when we play versus each other internally on teams you can expect all kinds of crazy ideas to try and unhinge the other team.

Then there's the team comp skin strategy: Snowtime, pool party, for Demacia, Magical Girls, monsters, etc.

It's all part of the fun right? Mix it up.

Tentacle LoveJan 15, 201517 votes

Sweet! I got a rioter to post in here!

That makes it the new meta, right?

BudupopsJan 15, 20157 votes

puns of dmg

TheFrozenIslesJan 15, 20151 votes

I for one love the team comp skin as well but my far is city champs teams. My fav is Bandle city but you guys really need to give them a real jungler or rework one into one. I vote Teemo.

Magma Lux MidJan 16, 20152 votes

Rumble, Teemo, and Poppy can all work as fine junglers. Kennen can work as an assassin jungler if played well.

MahautsukaiJan 16, 20151 votes

I have a hard time not being a Voidmonster if another one is on the roster, and now there are five!

DiostukosJan 16, 20157 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Sweet,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rcjX0bMP,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2015-01-15T22:44:15.103+0000)

There are a lot of viable strategies not widely talked about or strategized around. Sometimes I'll pass a group of Rioters testing out a new comp for fun (ADC blitz lanes, 4 supports 1 adc, double split push). Or when we play versus each other internally on teams you can expect all kinds of crazy ideas to try and unhinge the other team.

Then there's the team comp skin strategy: Snowtime, pool party, for Demacia, Magical Girls, monsters, etc.

It's all part of the fun right? Mix it up.

Magical Girl skin line confirmed.

AerialRushJan 16, 20151 votes

Please let there be a magical girl skin line next.

Brenticus12Jan 16, 20151 votes

I love the double split push strat. I always make use of it when I know we're losing the match and can't afford to teamfight.

JustacoJan 16, 20153 votes

I highly suggest you check out the "Raid Boss Hecarim" strategy. Some friends and I did it during Ascension and it was the most obscenely strong thing I've ever seen. To put it into perspective, our Hecarim ascended first at 3:44 and within about a minute he got a pentakill. He ended up having more kills than the entire enemy team combined.

What made it even funnier was the other team had a Hecarim, we must've given him an inferiority complex. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1549937757/202701165?tab=overview

Knight DevoutJan 16, 20152 votes

You said...magical girls?

Vegas DadJan 16, 20151 votes

[{quoted}](name=Riot Sweet,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rcjX0bMP,comment-id=000d,timestamp=2015-01-15T22:44:15.103+0000)

There are a lot of viable strategies not widely talked about or strategized around. Sometimes I'll pass a group of Rioters testing out a new comp for fun (ADC blitz lanes, 4 supports 1 adc, double split push). Or when we play versus each other internally on teams you can expect all kinds of crazy ideas to try and unhinge the other team.

Then there's the team comp skin strategy: Snowtime, pool party, for Demacia, Magical Girls, monsters, etc.

It's all part of the fun right? Mix it up.

I hate to be a party pooper but he asked if it was viable, not if it was fun and possible to play around in goof off games with coworkers lol. So no along with everything you listed they are not viable in any sort of competitive gameplay condition. The sad part is when ever something odd DID become viable you put a rush on it to nueter it back into meaningless obscurity for trolls with the epic nerf bat. Which makes it ironic for you as a riot employee to post the answer you did.

That said sorry to come off as hostile but it is frustrating to many of us that your hidden policy dictates specifically how this game must be played atleast at competitive forms of match play, yet you openly lie saying you don't impose a meta when you actually do.

GunpointJan 16, 20159 votes

Is it bad that Riven is considered tanky even though she builds full AD??? Hm....

ElBoobJan 16, 20153 votes

BALANCE!

MrSexyHoboJan 16, 20151 votes

riven is considered bullshit

fixed for you

MrBuffingtonJan 15, 20156 votes

Leo/Graves bot lane is infamously strong. Riven is not a tank, nor does she really siege too well, she's more all in; Mundo or Maokai would probably be better. There are also better tank junglers than Elise and Sejuani; Nautilus is incredibly tanky, for example. For mid laners; Ryze is gutted right now (pending rework), but he was a decent tankier mid laner, you might also be able to play like Mordekaiser or Galio or Vladmir.

I think it'll be better if you choose, rather than 5 tanky champions, pick just a sieging composition. The problem with just letting voidlings take turrets though is that they just get countered by waveclear.

The strategy could probably work, but I don't think it's optimal or really efficient.

EDIT: Just tested the item out in a few AI games real quick; the range on the minions is pretty short, and they aggro/target select in a very strange way, where if you put them in the jungle they might go to an unintended lane for whatever reason. You constantly have to move the spawner up if you want to contest objectives; I think the most useful is to get like, lvl 9 on Singed, go RoA and ZZ'Rot and boots and maybe upgraded trinket ward so you can ward jungle and stuff, put the spawner between turrets while you proxy, that way you can still protect the spawner (with your fling) and I think if you place the spawner correctly, you can take both turrets if you place the spawner well (haven't been able to test this for T1 and T2 turrets since the proxy farm took the T1 turret before I got the items, but it seemed like it kind of worked for T2/T3 turrets). I don't know if the item is core or really necessary on any champion, but it's pretty fun to use.

Tis a nice dayJan 15, 20154 votes

Just get a heimer instead and lay an entrenched siege.

Tentacle LoveJan 15, 20153 votes

That sounds fun too. Definitely worth considering.

AfroNinja6810Jan 16, 20154 votes

Tanky top. Riven.

The SoulforgedJan 15, 20153 votes

Since when was Riven tanky?

Vegas DadJan 16, 20151 votes

{quoted}

Since when was Riven tanky?

500 shield every 4 seconds....this isnt tanky?

The SoulforgedJan 16, 20151 votes

Burst exists. Also, if she has enough ad to get a 500 shield, she prolly isn't tanky while it's down.

Drunk RummateJan 15, 20152 votes

would a poke comp be able to bully you away from the portal? like Xerath or Azir could just stand way outside your range and force you to react.

cFlameJan 16, 20152 votes

Riven, wtf is she doing on your list??? Riven can't do anything against poke, unlike someone like Darius, Mundo, Garen, Olaf, Rumble, and even Vladimir to an extent. Players, don't ever foolishly think Riven can do fine as a tank and eat 50% of all the poke.

Rinky DinkyJan 16, 20151 votes

She can build full damage....

Making her tanky....

She can negate poke with her shield as well...

bradJan 16, 20152 votes

did u just call riven a tank?

this is the all tank team comp

top mundo, cho'gath, sion

mid ryze

jungle nautilus, sejuani

adc urgot

support leona, braum

Tentacle LoveJan 16, 20151 votes

Tanky enough to make it work, not "a tank."

JamnonJan 16, 20152 votes

ADC Thresh is terrifying.

7ha7guy777Jan 15, 20151 votes

wouldn't Thresh make a better tanky adc?

Tentacle LoveJan 15, 20152 votes

Those are just names I threw out as examples, not an exhaustive list.

StoningtonJan 15, 20151 votes

I want to see this, it sounds reasonable and really funny. Or how about

Shyvanna top because she gets free tank stats on her ult Taric support because he gives an aoe armour buff

Tentacle LoveJan 15, 20151 votes

See this is where I was hoping I'd end up. The initial concept is sort of a fall-on-your-face stupid plan, but working away from it is an interesting place to start strategizing.

Would a bunch of aoe buffs affect the voidspawns enough to make them obnoxious?

DarkenedSoul420Jan 16, 20151 votes

Went against a team with mundo,sej,braum,riven, and jinx last night...they survived until lategame and it just got to the point that we just couldnt kill them all in a teamfight, even if we got jinx or riven, there are three tanks with aoe and cc abilites that were able to finish off those of us who were left. Their lategame was foolish

Yulen XoshxiusJan 16, 20151 votes

Is anyone up to trying this out? Would be awesome if we had a heimer in this though!

Señor KarthusJan 16, 20151 votes

Galio mid

RogueWillJan 16, 20151 votes

I don't think it will be that viable. If you are planing on using mostly tanks you are planing to finish the game around late mid game or ealy late game (around the 40 min mark) as it the point where the tanks has a bunch of hp, armor and mr items while the carries has't start yo build the magic and armor pen items. A team composed of nothing but tanks is doomed to fail late game unless you include some late game powerhouses like nasus, ryze or swain since the main purpose of a tank isn't really dueling or even provide tons of damage but more to provide utility and some kind of distraction so the damage dealers can do their job. True a 5 tank team would be really hard to ace you can still win the teamfights easily and just siege them under towers.

Subject 5Jan 16, 20151 votes

I've recently won a 4 man adc rush all mid with a support janna. I guess it just depends what elo you are in in all honesty, but fitting in bruisers that build tanky and still do mass damage (Basically the current meta) is something that could definitely work. A team composition like . . . this?

JarvanIV Top Jungle Vladimir Mid RekSai Support Sivir Adc

I've put Sivir because i personally think she is viable. And the team composition lacks a good wave clear, and the ult allows for super engage and disengage if needed, after all so many gap closers-so little time. ;)

Subject 5Jan 16, 20151 votes

Also that 4 man rush mid with a support was gold 3 :P

NorthernDruidJan 16, 20151 votes

Your lineup with Vi lacks waveclear... wut?

Rinky DinkyJan 16, 20152 votes

Rek'Sai and Vlad could insta clear waves.

Vi E's wouldnt hurt.

Sivir has some of the best clear in the game for an adc...

JennıferJan 16, 20151 votes

Seems legit to me...

SS EnforcerJan 16, 20151 votes

Um... Riven is strictly not tanky.

BringYourOwnPumaJan 16, 20151 votes

me and four friends did this in normals today.

Vladimir Mid Chogath Top Rammus jungle Gnar bot Leona Bot Everyone except Rammus: Revive/Teleport Rammus got Smite instead of Revive.

Everyone rushed ZZ'Rot Portal after getting their first item. (Except vlad, he didn't get it.) Split push top and bot with ZZ'Rot Team fight and pick off when they make mistakes, otherwise protect your portal andlet the voidlings do damage. We ended up with 44 kills, 66 deaths, but we won the game about 45 mintues in. The pushing power was just too strong for them to ever recover, despite having WAY too much farm on us.

I'll add- we made ALOT of early game mistakes in this game as well (it was like 0-6 before we started taking turrets because our fail invade XD) Also: Because our pushing power was so strong we had complete control over dragon and baron the whole game. http://matchhistory.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/NA1/1698365646/33659825?tab=overview

If you're interested in the games history.

XengreJan 16, 20151 votes

I have not tested the new item but wouldn't something like...

Heimer + Banner 4x tanky champs with decent ranged AoE, preferably, and some CC to create portals (4x) and force enemies back from tower long enough for heimer to put down a few turrets + get a few voids on the tower via the AoE/CC forcing back opponents.

Perhaps one player puts a portal in another lane and helps split push or have a Yi or someone split push to pull aggro from enemy team and increase odds of success.

Can the portals be placed in base and go to the nearest lane so that they are completely safe from being harmed? What about including multiple Ohmwrecker on the tanks to really hard engage or force back on tower and in the meantime Heimer + turrets + voids wreck tower and maybe another lane?

Perhaps throw in a heavy AoE AP harass champion to help heimer force enemies back while turrets + voids wreck towers and only 2-3 tanks (depending if an extra non-tank pushing another lane or whatever) aids in keeping enemies back from tower? Could rotate Ohmwrecker every couple of seconds between CD periods which also gives you an excuse to get out so tower doesn't have heat build too much.

How does Banner interact with the void and is it worth while? What about also getting Lich on Heimer and maybe the AP ranged AoE harass champion helping to also aid in downing towers? Grab multiple barrier/heals because forcing the enemy to ONLY engage on your terms early-mid to late game because you ONLY push down lanes could make this summoner combo viable (mix it up a bit to cover any weak points or add to strat as necessary).

Could putting a bunch of these portals + heimer biding time on a tower or a split pusher (in multiple lanes forcing the enemy to split) bide enough time to easily grab Baron uncontested? What about with teleport on everyone? Baron + Banner + Voids + Heimer turrets on top of everything else? What about the elixer to boost tower dmg?

WullfJan 16, 20151 votes

As far as I know ZZrot portal spawns are ignoring champs and exploding under tower.

That means that they can only push so if enemy team has god wave clearer they only get more gold if you put these portals on one lane.

NinjaFiferJan 16, 20151 votes

Thing is, these voidlings do a lot of damage to towers, but they've. I'd think it would be a lot more viable to run 2 on good clearing high escape characters, like Mundo and Singed, and have them push two lanes while the other three push the third lane. Mundo/Singed clears the waves, the voidlings damage the tower.

In general, you could say that your strat is putting all your eggs in one basket. Might be funny to work once, but any weakness is going to be exploited easily.

EllphiJan 16, 20151 votes

Lol why do they have to be tanky..?

Honestly makes more sense with like 2 or 3 mages + peel. That way nobody will ever even be able to come close to the portals

ZeroAnarchyJan 16, 20152 votes

Look how the portal scales, then come back here.

junglerboy16Jan 16, 20151 votes

Riven is not tanky in the least, she stacks AD and Arpen.

About stacking Zz'rots, yes it gives powerful bursts of pushing power, but any team with a potent AOE clearer in the form of a mage or an AD caster with Hydra can clear them out pretty fast if they pay attention to when your team drops them all.

Gray FanchonJan 16, 20151 votes

This strategy sounds hilarious and I'll bet you could win matches with it. X) I can't help but think if you used a beefy pusher or two specifically the Portals would be even more effective; something like Trundle or Sejuani or even a late game Nasus. Somebody could split push while the rest of the team presses into another lane with a 4 man + portals push or something.