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50West1 votes

So now to do the same damage an ADC did previously with those two items now has to spend 2.8K Gold more to get that equivalent damage. Yeah, good solution alright...

Maybe if ADC's actually had some viable itemization paths, or if BT was worth buying before a 5th or 6th item, this wouldn't be such a big deal. Time for everyone to rush BotRK + PD now. Shiv will be completely worthless to buy now. This is going to hurt all the AA based ADC's the most, which will make Corki, Lucian and Ezreal even stronger. So there's that.

Ale non è male1 votes

ADC have various viable itemization paths, the problem is that BT and BoTRK changes screwed up the balance between the various itemization paths Put Botrk on-hit passive on check and add an item that gives higher AD than IE and you got the problem solved(and especially, why hit PD when Statik was the item that synergized the most with IE in an early item rush?)

Example Sword of Torment

90 AD

Passive

Grants + 9% attack damage from items only

50West1 votes

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ADC have various viable itemization paths, the problem is that BT and BoTRK changes screwed up the balance between the various itemization paths Put Botrk on-hit passive on check and add an item that gives higher AD than IE and you got the problem solved(and especially, why hit PD when Statik was the item that synergized the most with IE in an early item rush?)

Example Sword of Torment

90 AD

Passive

Grants + 9% attack damage from items only

I agree, but they aren't (based on anything I've seen). If they wouldn't have screwed up BT than that would still be a perfectly viable first item. I liked the old BT, as between BotRK, BT and IE all required you to make a decision on which build path you wanted to take. Now it is a no-brainer on the vast majority of champions, and even then the only decision is IE or BotRK. BT still doesn't remotely compare in damage to IE (even after IE nerfs), so I'm not sure what these changes are attempting to accomplish - other than just flat nerfing ADC damage until you acquire 2.8K more Gold for a PD (because you'll HAVE to go PD now).

Ale non è male1 votes

The old BT favoured snowballing too, the ADC that get ahead could have killed the enemy and proceeded to snowball even harder. The problem is not strictly in BT change, is that the place of item with the higher AD that BT had wasn't replaced and automatically IE filled it, with bad conseqeunces because of flattening the starting item build paths

You should get the start with -raw AD => item that does not exist now -AS => BoTRK(that should be toned down to not make tanks life an hell) -burst Ad spikes(with less guaranteed DPS) => IE -mixed damage => TF

Drunk Rummate1 votes

looks like an attempt to reduce AD based waveclear by reducing the effectiveness of shiv

it's gonna be really hard to justify buying shiv over PD with these changes unless you're a burst carry like lucian/graves/quinn

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