Morgana win rate is 55%

MunchCrunchLunch·Jan 14, 2016·4 votes·711 views

is there any reason for that? maybe because she has one of the most broken CC abilities in the game. is it not fair for me to ask for a visible hit box. it has a 2 second snare and 3 at max rank. like ffs. fix her.

37 Comments

LadyRenlyJan 14, 20162 votes

prob because she's more of a counter pick, and has great utility in countering jerkoffs like blitzcrank

when people get forced to support against their will, they are more likely to pick blitzcrank or thresh, not morgana so the people who play her are probably familiar with her

MunchCrunchLunchJan 14, 20161 votes

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prob because she's more of a counter pick, and has great utility in countering jerkoffs like blitzcrank

when people get forced to support against their will, they are more likely to pick blitzcrank or thresh, not morgana so the people who play her are probably familiar with her

dude thats at mid lane. her win rate is 55% and shes one of the most toxic champions to play against because of the absurd CC she has and that broken Q

MiraweaveJan 14, 20161 votes

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dude thats at mid lane. her win rate is 55% and shes one of the most toxic champions to play against because of the absurd CC she has and that broken Q

And the fact that she's literally impossible to kill in lane unless she's bad.

MunchCrunchLunchJan 14, 20162 votes

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And the fact that she's literally impossible to kill in lane unless she's bad.

exactly. I'd rather chase and try to kill a fed mundo than a morgana.

Dominick DestineJan 14, 20162 votes

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And the fact that she's literally impossible to kill in lane unless she's bad.

Talon Zed Jayce Viktor Leblanc Ekko

MunchCrunchLunchJan 14, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rasfrchJ,comment-id=0000000000000001,timestamp=2016-01-14T21:05:08.373+0000)

none of these champs have spell vamp passives.

Dominick DestineJan 14, 20161 votes

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none of these champs have spell vamp passives.

I would hope not. Some of those don't even have magic damage in their direct ability kit.

MunchCrunchLunchJan 14, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rasfrchJ,comment-id=000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2016-01-14T21:09:45.128+0000)

I would hope not. Some of those don't even have magic damage in their direct ability kit.

spell vamp isn't just applied to magic damage. its all abilities

Dominick DestineJan 14, 20161 votes

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spell vamp isn't just applied to magic damage. its all abilities

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Checked it, it looks like you're right

There is a common misconception it only applies to magic damage. This is incorrect

Well you are right on that point, but that only proves that Morgana "Has a passive" which is a point on the level of "Water is wet".

SnugglePuggle94Jan 14, 20161 votes

Her SV passive is basically useless early game.

xSleepyJan 14, 20163 votes

she has two cc abilities, one of which is a super slow skillshot. she's got no mobility, and she's pretty squishy

MunchCrunchLunchJan 14, 20161 votes

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she has two cc abilities, one of which is a super slow skillshot. she's got no mobility, and she's pretty squishy

am sure shes squishy with her black shield. and two is a lot of cc

xSleepyJan 14, 20161 votes

two is not that much cc, certainly not absurd when there are champs like nautilus with 4 cc's, and black shield blocks magic damage and cc, it doesn't make her tanky, especially when it's her last or next to last skill that gets maxed. have you ever played zed into morgana? as a morgana player, any ad assassin hurts like hell. even xin zhao mid is a pretty decent counter into morg, if you can dodge her q, which again, is super slow moving

SnugglePuggle94Jan 14, 20161 votes

Her Q is VERY slow traveling, has a long hitbox, and can be easily blocked by minions. Bait her snare out and she's useless besides her ult/shield, or else she has to flash out because she's slow as a turtle. Her shield only blocks magic damage, so it's common sense to not pick an AP champ into her.

Really she's in a fine state right now.

Earl EulrichJan 14, 20162 votes

she´s very save -> noone does get fed within the first 20min ->gg

also, with tenacity nerfed the 3sec binding is more broken than ever.

MunchCrunchLunchJan 14, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Don Eulrich,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rasfrchJ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-01-14T20:54:32.382+0000)

she´s very save -> noone does get fed within the first 20min ->gg

also, with tenacity nerfed the 3sec binding is more broken than ever.

90% AP scaling with 300 base damage at max rank. with 45% cdr 6 seconds cooldown. its impossible to chase her down. and shes too good in team fights because of her ult.

Dominick DestineJan 14, 20165 votes

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its impossible to chase her down

She is literally the slowest moving champion in the game.

Or at least tied with a couple of others like Anivia for slowest (325 base MS with zero mobility in her kit). Your argument is absolutely abysmal.

Sir YamazukiJan 14, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rasfrchJ,comment-id=000100000000,timestamp=2016-01-14T21:03:11.599+0000)

She is literally the slowest moving champion in the game.

Or at least tied with a couple of others like Anivia for slowest (325 base MS with zero mobility in her kit). Your argument is absolutely abysmal.

Movement speed or mobility is the only determining factor for catching or running from a champion? Who cares if she's slow if she's stopping you from even moving with Q+R. Having CC is better than mobility anyways as it allows not just herself to run or stick to a target but her entire team as well.

Dominick DestineJan 14, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Yamazuki,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rasfrchJ,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-14T23:24:59.769+0000)

Movement speed or mobility is the only determining factor for catching or running from a champion?

No, but every single character aside from maybe Mordekaiser, has a form of either mobility or mobility denying skill. Anivia and Morgana have a strong form of these precisely because of being, literally, the most immobile characters in the game.

That is the trade-off. It's not complicated.

Sir YamazukiJan 14, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rasfrchJ,comment-id=00010000000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-14T23:27:32.707+0000)

No, but every single character aside from maybe Mordekaiser, has a form of either mobility or mobility denying skill. Anivia and Morgana have a strong form of these precisely because of being, literally, the most immobile characters in the game.

That is the trade-off. It's not complicated.

You said she's easy to catch because "no mobility" even though she stops someone from moving for several seconds completely negating what you said. You can't catch someone if you can't even move to begin with. She also can't be cced either.

Dominick DestineJan 14, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Yamazuki,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rasfrchJ,comment-id=000100000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-14T23:31:29.910+0000)

You said she's easy to catch because "no mobility"

That's right.

even though she stops someone from moving

If she lands her incredibly slow-to-activate, slow-to-travel, high CD skillshot yes.

By that logic, no one can ever kill Ashe because she will just stun you 100% of the time you approach her. Your argument is very bad.

Sir YamazukiJan 15, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rasfrchJ,comment-id=0001000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-14T23:37:03.725+0000)

That's right.

If she lands her incredibly slow-to-activate, slow-to-travel, high CD skillshot yes.

By that logic, no one can ever kill Ashe because she will just stun you 100% of the time you approach her. Your argument is very bad.

Press R or even FQC and then Q is guaranteed to land, and her Q isn't even difficult to land. Morg mid has one of the lowest average deaths plat+, I wonder why? Certainly isn't because of how safe she is due to cc immunity and her own set of cc.

The only terrible argument is yours, pretending mobility is king when cc+range+utility has always been superior than a mobile melee champion.

Dominick DestineJan 15, 20161 votes

[{quoted}](name=Lord Yamazuki,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rasfrchJ,comment-id=00010000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-15T00:06:39.358+0000)

Press R

Long cooldown, low range, mediocre slow, heavily delayed stun.

or even FQC

Not a function of Morgana's kit.

Q is guaranteed to land

False.

No skillshot is ever "Guaranteed to land".

and her Q isn't even difficult to land.

Hahahahaha, okay then. You're just talking nonsense.

The only terrible argument is yours, pretending mobility is king

Mobility is king. There is a reason the overwhelming majority of picks during Worlds were heavily mobile characters or characters that could enhance the mobility of others (Ex1: Thresh, Ex2: Lulu).

Morgana is fine. She is one of the most balanced champions in the game.

Sir YamazukiJan 15, 20163 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rasfrchJ,comment-id=000100000000000000000000000000000000,timestamp=2016-01-15T00:10:53.973+0000)

Long cooldown, low range, mediocre slow, heavily delayed stun.

Not a function of Morgana's kit.

False.

No skillshot is ever "Guaranteed to land".

Hahahahaha, okay then. You're just talking nonsense.

Mobility is king. There is a reason the overwhelming majority of picks during Worlds were heavily mobile characters or characters that could enhance the mobility of others (Ex1: Thresh, Ex2: Lulu).

Morgana is fine. She is one of the most balanced champions in the game.

You got to be extremely terrible to miss a skill shot on a target that isn't even moving. In addition to the fact the rest of your post is completely in accurate. If anyone is talking nonsense it is you. By Riot's standard she is far from balanced, then again, you're probably that same guy who goes on about how stats are all a lie when they contradict what you're saying, which would explain why you completely ignored the fact she has one of the lowest average deaths in the mid lane despite being sooooo easy to kill and having loooong cool downs and an impossible to land skill shot.

Also, last I checked, we're talking about soloq. You're only plat, you aren't playing at worlds, and neither is anyone on these boards. I don't care what the pros do at worlds since that's not relevant to what even happens in soloq.

You're bad with Morg and your way of justifying it is saying she's not strong, so I'm not even going to bother with responding to you on this subject from now on.

MunchCrunchLunchJan 14, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Don Eulrich,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rasfrchJ,comment-id=0001,timestamp=2016-01-14T20:54:32.382+0000)

she´s very save -> noone does get fed within the first 20min ->gg

also, with tenacity nerfed the 3sec binding is more broken than ever.

its really toxic to play against a champion that all he does is spam one spell that you can't do much.

Dominick DestineJan 14, 20162 votes

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is there any reason for that? maybe because she has one of the most broken CC abilities in the game.

Dark Binding is incredibly slow to cast, the projectile is also incredibly slow and it has a relatively long cooldown; For reference purposes, Brand has a semi-direct TWO SECOND STUN with quicker activation time, faster projectile and on nearly half the cooldown of Dark Binding.

is it not fair for me to ask for a visible hit box. it has a 2 second snare and 3 at max rank. like ffs. fix her.

The hitbox is plenty visibile. Unlike Thresh's hook, it is very clear whether it will strike you or not. You are just whining.

Morgana is fine. The characters that need nerfs are Zed LeeSin Rengar Fizz

MunchCrunchLunchJan 14, 20162 votes

[{quoted}](name=Dominick Destine,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=rasfrchJ,comment-id=0002,timestamp=2016-01-14T21:02:06.098+0000)

Dark Binding is incredibly slow to cast, the projectile is also incredibly slow and it has a relatively long cooldown; For reference purposes, Brand has a semi-direct TWO SECOND STUN with quicker activation time, faster projectile and on nearly half the cooldown of Dark Binding.

The hitbox is plenty visibile. Unlike Thresh's hook, it is very clear whether it will strike you or not.

You are just whining.

what? her hit box is a million times worse than thresh hook. where do you get your meth from. I'd like to get some.

Dominick DestineJan 14, 20163 votes

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her hit box is a million times worse than thresh hook.

I'm going to hypothesize you mean her Dark Binding.

You are wrong. Thresh's hook is far more deceptive than Dark Binding as evidenced by that one gif animation floating around where I think Faker gets hooked when his Lulu hitbox is nowhere near the hook.

Here it is; http://i.imgur.com/KnzVRby.jpg http://imgur.com/rV9NDP2

where do you get your meth from. I'd like to get some.

Not that it is relevant but; Do you even know what meth is? what it does to the human body? the answer is no. Protip; It's a Central Nervous Stimulant, it is not a hallucinogen or otherwise has direct psychotropic effects.

BeatzBoyFTWJan 15, 20161 votes

I love how you stopped replying to Dominick Destine after he showed you the pictures. Guess you knew you were in the wrong xD

Maximum MordeJan 14, 20161 votes

Yes, she has a 54.72% win rate as mid, which she is picked for 19.76% of the time. 74.27% of the time she is picked for support and has a 50.79% win rate, which aggregates to a 51.61% win rate.

She's being picked mid roughly 3.17% of the time, placing her at 21/49, which puts her in the middle of the pack pick rate wise. This suggests she's being picked as a counter pick, which I would expect to see a high win rate out of if she's only being played mid when she is a counter pick.

She is not really an issue in the support role right now since she is in the bottom half for support win rates.

KaiokoJan 14, 20161 votes

From the comments I'm assuming you're referring to her mid. My recommendation is play an AD against her she absolutely cannot win that trade. She only thrives against an ap champ that will let her wave clear by maxing her pool first which gives her very low dueling power.

Maximum MordeJan 15, 20161 votes

Depends on the AD champion. If it's a melee one she can outright kill them or force them to disengage if they try to engage on her post 6 with Ult -> pool -> Q Ignite so they eat the full pool duration, and usually they can't reliably break her Black Shield so ganks don't typically work very well either as long as you aren't super hyper mega overextended at their nexus turret for some reason lol.

Her wave clear is super easy so she should have reasonable items to do it with as well. I never have trouble vs Talon, Zed, Riven or Yasuo with Morg, and those are the only AD champs I ever really see playing mid. I always either force them to back off while I farm, or I just kill them outright if they try to engage on me.

Worst case scenario picking mid into them is it becomes a farm lane for me. I really have more risk playing her into an AP mid rather than an AD mid.

CalabokJan 14, 20161 votes

I agree. Nerf Morgana and buff Brand

Shroom JunkieJan 14, 20161 votes

Well, lets see. She has a teamfight ultimate, a Q that can engage and disengage pretty well(and you can see the entire hitbox, you're just raging because its a big-ass skillshot), a shield that can keep from engages or just plain stop CC, and poke. Like hell its broken, Morgana is one of the most balanced champs in the game. And no, I'm not a Morg main... in fact I play almost no Morg at all. :I

MunchCrunchLunchJan 14, 20161 votes

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Well, lets see. She has a teamfight ultimate, a Q that can engage and disengage pretty well(and you can see the entire hitbox, you're just raging because its a big-ass skillshot), a shield that can keep from engages or just plain stop CC, and poke. Like hell its broken, Morgana is one of the most balanced champs in the game. And no, I'm not a Morg main... in fact I play almost no Morg at all. :I

55 is the sign to nerf a champion to me.

Shroom JunkieJan 15, 20161 votes

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55 is the sign to nerf a champion to me.

Oh my, she's an easy and good support! Lets nerf her! Seriously, even Thresh isn't nerf worthy even if he is almost the best of his class. Let alone Morgana.

IcyPepperJan 15, 20161 votes

because a 3% pickrate is warping the meta as we know it.

There's more statistics than just win rate, and those numbers mean nothing without context. The whole "high win rate = OP champion" is a terrible fail in logic, and you need to analyze and elaborate further than trying to advocate a nerf on a spell you don't like (that's the real reason for this post, isn't it?).

You know a worst offender, one you could make a claim for? Janna. High statistics, great counters to meta champions, one of the highest defensive utility supports that rivals Thresh for the support throne. And you know the cool thing about that statement? I can actually back it up beyond just "high win rate."

No offense to Janna mains, she's not nearly as frustrating to play against as some champions.