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So lets talk about Vayne....

FaytalityHD··2 votes·735 views

With the highest winrate of all champions and one of the highest banrates along with it its time we nerf vayne. Its not the player its the champ. The champ is ridiculously easy to play and is neither shortranged nor exploitable early as this can easily be offset by having one of the p***** supports preferably janna. Ganking her isnt at all easy because of the point and click knockback. You need to be able to kite on other ad too so this doesnt solely apply to vayne. Flash E-ing is no play sorry gosu fanboys its just point and click coupled with flash which there are many of. The truth is vayne can essentially rightclick any other adc and even champ for that matter and come out on top without offering any way of dodging her damage. Most assassins even struggle taking her down because of how broken she is. Recently buffing her didnt help either, the new "gosu build"s damage is absolutely pathetic often 3 shotting enemy ad upon completing 2 items!!!!! The champ is also insanely strong with janna which is a combo very few teams stand a chance against. Everyone should be able to acknowledge that this champ is incredibly unfun to play against, be it as an ad or kiteable melee, facing 1 sec tumbles knockback point and click and broken stealth with too many free stats. Every vayne I have seem as of late has done well its no longer the player making this champ work its the poor champ design. Her winrate also went up in recent time which is concerning when looking at one of the "hardest to play most mechanic requiring" ( I nearly had to puke when writing this) champions. Needs fix!!! 51% winrate is too high and indicates that theres something wrong with this champion!!! And lets not forget that Vayne is one of the biggest noob attracting champions there is!!!! Even so the winrate is above average where you could effectively add 5% to compensate for those 1v5 gosu fanboys ( which sadly becomes possible not too far into the game). So what counters her? Really only massive point and click damage such as Syndras ultimate and even then she will most likely get maw which works too well as an offensive option for full ad damage dealers. NEVER pick any form of skillshot champ into this champ always point and click (annie syndra veigar Leblanc whatever it is) and preferably DAMAGE if its only CC it wont do anything because qss makes up for that.

25 Comments

Marshbouy4 votes

With the highest winrate of all champions and one of the highest banrates along with it its time we nerf vayne

yes let's nerf the champion with 0 lcs play and a very low winrate. (pre vayne buffs)

The champ is ridiculously easy to play and is neither shortranged nor exploitable early as this can easily be offset by having one of the p* supports preferably janna

she has the average range of an ADC and is definitely harder to play than most.

You are literally just bitching for the sake of bitching. There is nothing worth responding to in this post.

FaytalityHD1 votes

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yes let's nerf the champion with 0 lcs play and a very low winrate. (pre vayne buffs)

she has the average range of an ADC and is definitely harder to play than most.

You are literally just bitching for the sake of bitching. There is nothing worth responding to in this post. 51 winrate isnt exactly low for a champion "this difficult"

Marshbouy1 votes

51 winrate isnt exactly low for a champion "this difficult"

I never said she was difficult. I just said she was harder than most.

FaytalityHD1 votes

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I never said she was difficult. I just said she was harder than most.

It is common belief that she is just that

Geshultz1 votes

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It is common belief that she is just that

Well she is 10x harder then average adc considering the fact that she is so easy to bully out of lane, and got a bug fix this patch that nerfed her. Also the fact that she is only semimobile(Can dash but can't go over walls) Makes her an easy to target in teamfights if she is every in her 550 auto range.

FaytalityHD1 votes

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Well she is 10x harder then average adc considering the fact that she is so easy to bully out of lane, and got a bug fix this patch that nerfed her. Also the fact that she is only semimobile(Can dash but can't go over walls) Makes her an easy to target in teamfights if she is every in her 550 auto range. If shes so hard how can she have a 51 winrate seriously I did expect to run into vayne abusers and fanboys but dont be this insolent. 170% 1sec crit along with 12 max health every 3rd and 70?!!! free ad cant possibly be balanced

Geshultz1 votes

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Ah yes you suck at closing out games before 30+ minutes is your teams problem and she is super good lategame shocker riot designed her that way. You also actually lose DPS when qing vs just autoing. 2nd your bias as an assassin main to hate vayne because she counters your precious assassins.

FaytalityHD1 votes

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Ah yes you suck at closing out games before 30+ minutes is your teams problem and she is super good lategame shocker riot designed her that way. You also actually lose DPS when qing vs just autoing. 2nd your bias as an assassin main to hate vayne because she counters your precious assassins.

This guys a vayne main I just checked Im done. Like gosu who spams her every game always saying how awful she is.

Geshultz1 votes

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This guys a vayne main I just checked Im done. Like gosu who spams her every game always saying how awful she is.

Spamming vayne very game. No I am a hypercarry ADC main and if you checked my other ADCs are Tristana,jinx, twitch, kog'maw and vayne.

Brain Errör 4044 votes

I stopped reading after your first sentence. Stop talking nonsense. At least get you facts straight before you start spewing garbage.

Requiemsfire2 votes

That's a bit of a rant post but I gotta be honest she is a little too strong. With the new Vayne she now kills you in effectively 2 hits mid-late game thanks to the buffs she received where all the entire Q crits. It does her DPS a little bit but since it comes with the added benefit of turning her invisible it makes it really really hard to deal with her.

So basically you got Fervor of battle+ [(Base damage of Q+AD scaling)x crit multiplier]+ Statik Shivv and this I think is just ridiculous as it is.

FaytalityHD1 votes

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This is a bit of a rant post but I gotta be honest she is a little too strong. With the new Vayne she now kills you in effectively 2 hits mid-late game thanks to the buffs she received where all the entire Q crits.

So basically you got Fervor of battle+ [(Base damage of Q+AD scaling)x crit multiplier]+ Statik Shivv and this I think is just ridiculous as it is.

upvote this guy knows the game [slayer-pantheon-thumbs]

Igglet2 votes

Wait, what? Highest win rate? One of the highest ban rates? Buddy, I'm pretty sure none of that is true.

Sightless662 votes

With the highest winrate of all champions

What? Where are you getting that? Champion.gg is showing her at 50.7%. Lolking says 49.8. Op.gg says 50.14%. That's not even looking at the winrate for people who main her, which at about 53% isn't impressive either.

Seriously man, don't make shit up.

Her winrate also went up in recent time which is concerning when looking at one of the "hardest to play most mechanic requiring" ( I nearly had to puke when writing this) champions.

Alright, hang on. You're contradicting yourself here. You specifically said that "The champ is ridiculously easy to play". If you don't think she's actually hard to play, then why do you think a 50% winrate is too high? Either she's actually hard, in which case her winrate should be low, or she's easy like you claimed in your post, in which case we should not expect her winrate to be low. It's either/or. You can't choose both. Pick an argument and stick to it.

Frankly, I think she's not as hard as many people say to play at a competent level, so I think a 50% winrate is about what we should expect.

Even so the winrate is above average where you could effectively add 5% to compensate for those 1v5 gosu fanboys

Not really. Take a look at the champion.gg or leagueofgraphs stats for people with 50+ games on her. Both show it maxing out at about 53%, which is on the low end of normal. It's not impressive. It's not unimpressive either. It's standard.

I mean, you're claiming that you could add 5% to her winrate, but where's your proof? What data can you present to convince me of this? Pro players certainly don't think she's good. She's a nonfactor there. She's making no particular impact on challenger level play. What's the evidence that there's a legitimate complaint here?

FaytalityHD1 votes

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What? Where are you getting that? Champion.gg is showing her at 50.7%. Lolking says 49.8. Op.gg says 50.14%. That's not even looking at the winrate for people who main her, which at about 53% isn't impressive either.

Seriously man, don't make shit up.

Alright, hang on. You're contradicting yourself here. You specifically said that "The champ is ridiculously easy to play". If you don't think she's actually hard to play, then why do you think a 50% winrate is too high? Either she's actually hard, in which case her winrate should be low, or she's easy like you claimed in your post, in which case we should not expect her winrate to be low. It's either/or. You can't choose both. Pick an argument and stick to it.

Frankly, I think she's not as hard as many people say to play at a competent level, so I think a 50% winrate is about what we should expect.

Not really. Take a look at the champion.gg or leagueofgraphs stats for people with 50+ games on her. Both show it maxing out at about 53%, which is on the low end of normal. It's not impressive. It's not unimpressive either. It's standard.

I mean, you're claiming that you could add 5% to her winrate, but where's your proof? What data can you present to convince me of this? Pro players certainly don't think she's good. She's a nonfactor there. She's making no particular impact on challenger level play. What's the evidence that there's a legitimate complaint here?

Overall winrate is the only significant stat it makes no sense for her iwnrate to go down immensely on someone whos played her for 100+ games. Also I dont believe that shes hard which is why I put " in front of it but as we all know the majority of delusional players firmly believes that she is hard

Sightless661 votes

Overall winrate is the only significant stat

Then we have no problem with Vayne, because a 50-51% winrate is very normal.

it makes no sense for her iwnrate to go down immensely on someone whos played her for 100+ games.

Who said it would go down? The issue is that when someone has played her for 100+ games, they only have on average a 53% winrate on her. For most champions, it's closer to 55% or 56%. She's below average there. This statistic contradicts the idea that her winrate is decreased by people playing her like idiots, because we expect highly experienced players to have a better understanding of what they can and can't get away with.

Also I dont believe that shes hard which is why I put " in front of it but as we all know the majority of delusional players firmly believes that she is hard

You still made the argument that "51% winrate is too high and indicates that theres something wrong with this champion!", which isn't true if she's actually easy, as you claimed. You have no reason to make the argument that her winrate is too high if she's actually as easy as you claim.

Are you still claiming that a 51% winrate is too high? If you are, what's your justification for it being too high? Why do you say that?

FaytalityHD1 votes

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Then we have no problem with Vayne, because a 50-51% winrate is very normal.

Who said it would go down? The issue is that when someone has played her for 100+ games, they only have on average a 53% winrate on her. For most champions, it's closer to 55% or 56%. She's below average there. This statistic contradicts the idea that her winrate is decreased by people playing her like idiots, because we expect highly experienced players to have a better understanding of what they can and can't get away with.

You still made the argument that "51% winrate is too high and indicates that theres something wrong with this champion!", which isn't true if she's actually easy, as you claimed. You have no reason to make the argument that her winrate is too high if she's actually as easy as you claim.

Are you still claiming that a 51% winrate is too high? If you are, what's your justification for it being too high? Why do you say that?

Again I said she was but virtually everyone else including riot doesnt seem to think that!!! Also if you checked the charts youd see that her winrate is at its highest 100 in and then drops significantly at 125 showing you how unreliable and useless those stats are. The overall winrate IS a problem as once again shes believed to be a high skillcap hard to play champ. The number of steroids she has is too much 170% AD auto every second 12 % health also every sec with how much attack speed she gets and to make things even mofe ridiculous 70 AD with stealth,

Sightless661 votes

The overall winrate IS a problem as once again shes believed to be a high skillcap hard to play champ.

You don't think she is hard. I don't think she is hard. Why should you or I believe that the winrate is a problem? Why shouldn't I just think that the boards population doesn't understand her actual difficulty, as they've misunderstood for so many champions before? Seems like a much more accurate explanation of the problem.

The problem is, you're arguing that her winrate is too high, but you haven't given me a reason why. All you've said is "here's a reason for all those people who believe that she's hard, even though I think that she isn't". What's an actual reason? Why would you believe her winrate is too high?

Also if you checked the charts youd see that her winrate is at its highest 100 in and then drops significantly at 125 showing you how unreliable and useless those stats are.

Riot has already talked about how stats up to about 80+ or so games tend to be accurate to what Riot's internal measures are. That's why I specifically added in Leagueofgraphs, which only goes up to that number. and doesn't have any unexpected drops. Dismissing the stats out of hand isn't warranted. They have validity.

The number of steroids she has is too much

I think that argument sucks. Before her Q was buffed, she was one of the worst AD carries. She sucked for this entire season. Kalista was the worst, but she jockeyed with Corki for the position of second worst. A 13% boost to her total Q damage didn't catapult her into being OP. You may dislike her steroids, but they objectively haven't provided her with too much power in the past, so you can't argue that they're just too strong by default. We need to analyze her based on how she is right now, and right now, you've shown me literally nothing to suggest that she isn't balanced. You haven't shown me even one piece of data that supports her being overpowered.

APrinnyDood2 votes

7 words in and you're already full of shit. 50.7% is the highest winrate any champion has? Seriously?

The quality of salty rants has gone down horribly in the past few months. We need to fix this.

TyrekGoldenspear1 votes

Vayne is pretty easy to beat

Just play Caitlyn and laugh at her abysmal range.

A pimk stops her stealth, and any cc destroys her

Swiftstrike41 votes

She is one of the highest skill cap ADCs in the game, has no AoE ability, crappy wave clear, and terrible base stats.

It is easy to push one out of lane and put them behind. Yeah if you let the game go on for 40 minutes you are going to have a problem. But that isn't a problem with the champion, that is a problem with your skill and your teammates skill in ending a game.

Jinx literally is just superior in every aspect as a hyper carry. She has a lower skill cap, Aoe damage, great wave clear, and is good at taking towers. The only thing she lacks is mobility compared to vayne.

I don't know how you got to Diamond, but I expect these types of comments from lower skilled player that had a bad game against a vayne.

FaytalityHD1 votes

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She is one of the highest skill cap ADCs in the game, has no AoE ability, crappy wave clear, and terrible base stats.

It is easy to push one out of lane and put them behind. Yeah if you let the game go on for 40 minutes you are going to have a problem. But that isn't a problem with the champion, that is a problem with your skill and your teammates skill in ending a game.

Jinx literally is just superior in every aspect as a hyper carry. She has a lower skill cap, Aoe damage, great wave clear, and is good at taking towers. The only thing she lacks is mobility compared to vayne.

I don't know how you got to Diamond, but I expect these types of comments from lower skilled player that had a bad game against a vayne.

do you watch lcs pro games?If I remember correctly almost every game goes late except for massive stomps. If even pros cant close out games how could you possibly expect solo q to perform this impossible feat???

Swiftstrike41 votes

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do you watch lcs pro games?If I remember correctly almost every game goes late except for massive stomps. If even pros cant close out games how could you possibly expect solo q to perform this impossible feat???

Well I know you are a troll. I also know that no LCS team plays Vayne.

FaytalityHD1 votes

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Well I know you are a troll. I also know that no LCS team plays Vayne.

That wasnt my point. You said its my fault for not closing out games while acknowledging her broken lategame ( which starts after completing statik I guess Lol???) and I just said that this is a very hard thing to do with how easy stalling is.

Blàdedancer1 votes

Kappa xD

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