Still permapicked or banned the latest "nerf" didnt really solve the issue of incessant point and clicks coming at you that deal more damage than even the hardest to hit skillshots. Her elusiveness wasnt touched on either, if my team lacks 5 malzahar ultimates then I will have a hard time taking her down.
Ipressbutton14 votesRemove crit make ADC sustained DMG rito. Right now they are sustained burst [slayer-jinx-unamused]
AirKingNeo8 votesWe didn't complain about Vayne 3 months ago yet Vayne is back to the EXACT SAME WAY SHE WAS 3 months ago.
EDIT: Lol, salty players complaining about champion that isn't broken anymore. Its like saying we can't buff Jax just because he was broken 20 patches ago and act like they have PTSD from it.
MunchCrunchLunch2 votesno shes not. her Q had a very . VERY low chance of critting. now the chance of her Q critting is 4 times more likely. I'd expalin but thats how it is. this isn't the same vayne from 3 months ago.
AirKingNeo7 votesNo? Her Q was changed to always crit if her auto crit instead of rolling for crit twice. Hence her chance of critting Q was always equal to her crit chance.
MunchCrunchLunch4 votesthats completely wrong. her Q had the following chancse. Either her Q damage crits and regular aa doesnt. or aa crits and damage doesnt. or both crit. or both don't.
Hyrum Graff3 votesthats completely wrong. her Q had the following chancse. Either her Q damage crits and regular aa doesnt. or aa crits and damage doesnt. or both crit. or both don't.
That's almost true. It was actually one of three scenarios:
So, her old Q used to have a higher chance of critting than the amount of crit she actually had.
PiVoRx43 votes3 months ago i could put pink ward to counter her invisibility
Volcanuz4 votesThis so much. Now she can cancel AA easier and there is no counter play. AWESOME!
Suspicious Xebra1 votesThe whole pinks being removed was just a bad idea. Stealth is quite op now.
NightmareAmazoX1 votesThat's why non of the assassins even have a 50% win rate. All below 49% win rate. ''Stealth is OP'' On twitch it was, And it got nerfed, It isn't anymore. It is on vayne right now.
Venomar12 votesBecuase every other ADC sans Cait and Twitch are in a worse place than they were 3 months ago.
SpongebobIsLife1 votesone of those is only strong bc the adcs that pooped on him, are in a bad spot. Add that up with some small buffs, and its no wonder he is busted.
My Waifu Vanilla5 votesExcept every lane bully ADC got completely dumpstered with the "removal" of the ArP builds. Vayne was kept in check by getting shut down in lane by Lucian, MF, Jhin, or Ezreal and then was tolerable later on with pink wards making her easier to catch.
Now that all the lane bullies got hit Vayne gets a free pass at mid game and gets a lot of free stats from one of her supports on her team (either jg or her actual support) making her extremely difficult to kill unless you have true sight built into a champion on your team's kits (Lee, Karma, etc.). Yeah, Vayne might be in the same ballpark as before, but shutting her down is too difficult when she has Nami, Janna, Karma, or Ivern giving her an absurd amount of bonus hp in heals/shields while she can easily 4 shot you with IE+Statikk (while also having 50 more AD than any other ADC not named Twitch/Jhin with the same items because free stats).
SpongebobIsLife1 votesthis, so much this.
Neidox1 votes3 months ago she didn't have that absurd ratio buff to her Q on top of having pink wards.
AirKingNeo1 votesHer Q was reverted.
Neidox1 votesIt wasn't reverted, it just scales different per level now. She gets back to the 70% AD scaling at a certain level.
AirKingNeo1 votesNo? It was 30/35/40/45/50% 3 months ago. Now it's the same. You're thinking the one PBE patch where they tried 10/25/40/55/70%.
Tough Guy7 votesI usually play tanky champions, hence the name. Every time I see a Vayne lock I have to throw my hands up in frustration, because I know I am going to get rekt.
agbudar6 votesthey need to drop the "can crit on Q damage" then it will be fine.
back when they buffed her Q to start cooldown upon tumbling instead of auto attacking it was already a massive buff to high lvl of play now she is simply too good.
LemurKick4 votesIt never had and never will be cd starts upon tumble, they changed it to cd starts on auto rather than when it hits.
Meep Man5 votesTo be fair, Darius was still permabanned for about 3-4 patches after he was nerfed from permaban status.
Xela Syab4 votesI think where they should nerf Vayne is the cooldown on her Ult. That way it doesn't really effect her laning, just her 1v1 and assassination potential.
hunterspec3 votesso? Zed is one of the highest bans still. http://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.banRate&order=descend
Daddy Ants2 votesVayne doesn't need any more nerfs.
Lane Bullies like Miss Fortune and Lucian need buffing.
Caitlyn and Ezreal are "ok" as they are. Caitlyn could maybe be knocked down a little.
While CoTC exists and Tanks are running rampant, I think Vayne is ok as she is.
RoyalMachine3 votesWhen pink wards existed, 
could actually 1v1 that champion. now they have to play like little bitches after vayne reaches level 6.
LightIsMyPath1 votesYes she does. How the hell is her supposed to do an auto on me and take away 1100 of my hp while my ULTIMATE ability would have done 800 damage to her ( IF it would it.. Because you know, she flashed in my face so I died in cast time.. Almost 1600 damage in 1,25 seconds while my hp bar is 1400 and something). And she wasn't even full build, with one level behind me. That's not what an ADC should do, especially the best at killing tanks
Unlucky472 votesSo I played a lot of vayne in season six. First thing, a lot of the people that complained didn't buy pinks in the first place. Secondly, Vaynes damage has always been like this. I think she needs nerfed yeah but that doesn't change the fact that she has almost always done this. People are making a big deal about it now because they just discovered the "crit" build which is what I built every game anyways. Its not new or innovative its just popular. That makes me think that maybe its not just vayne, because some of it is, but a big problem is crit.
MFTORANK11 votesWhy not just buff every other adcs on her level I think it would be fun, maybe just for a patch or two for the hell of it what do you guys think ..
Kaisa is Hot16 votesWhy not just buff every other adcs on her level I think it would be fun, maybe just for a patch or two for the hell of it what do you guys think ..
Because that would be retarded. She is doing cancer damage to tanks and bruisers. Do you want every ADC to kill a tank in 2-3 hits?
MFTORANK15 votesI was obviously joking , she needs more nerfs.
AirKingNeo2 votesNo she doesn't. She didn't need nerfs 3 months ago. She's the same as she was 3 months ago.
PB4UAME5 votesIts not at all though. You just don't understand how vision and systemic changes work, apparently.
Also, you don't know how her old Q worked if you think its the same as now.
AirKingNeo1 votesHer old Q from 3 months ago and her current Q are the same except for hitting towers.
NightmareAmazoX2 votes3 months ago we could counter her stealth with a pink ward, WE CAN'T DO THAT ANYMORE
ShaolinToilet3 votesSo exaggerated
RoyalMachine1 votesVayne doesn't need additional nerfs, but some adc's should have more power at punishing her(lucian and kalista are getting buffed).
could use some buff if riot figures out how to balance him as adc instead of a mid laner. Also, 
rework is an abomination(revert please).
ShaolinToilet1 votesYou show me a game of a 5 and 1 vayne what is this supposed to prove?
GULAG 4 U1 votesWhat sort of vayne kills a tank in 3 autos?
Zeref1 votesVayne is in the same state as she was back in August except for a few things:
There's still a lot of window for counterplay once she is focused down by your team. She is much more manageable now after her Q buff was reverted.
PB4UAME2 votesAlso the tumble changes buffed her crit. It used to be that both her q bonus and the aa itself rolled crit separately, but, here's the kicker, the crit q damage could ONLY apply if the aa crit as well.
So either, no crits, aa crits and bonus does not, or both crit.
Now its just crit, or no crit, which while not sounding much different, is actually a pretty significant damage increase at any value of crit lower than 100%; particularly at extremely low crit values the difference is readily apparent.
What this means is, she basically got a substantial buff to her early game damage with low crit. Seeing as how she now rushes IE -> Shiv, she is doing fucktons more damage early, and already scales way too fucking hard off crit chance and crit damage.
Zeref1 votesActually, Riot stated that that was a bug fix. Her bonus damage from the old Q was using an independent crit roll instead of being tied to the same crit roll as her AA. She did benefit from the change but she was always supposed to work that way.
I don't really see the problem considering every other adc (Twitch, Cait, Jhin, Draven, Jinx, Trist) rushes the same itemization (IE + Atkspd, runaans for the most part). I find her still so goddamn easy to shutdown lmao. Just focus her like you would any adc.
LightIsMyPath2 votesEvery other ADC doesn't do more then 1000 damage on their first auto while being impossible to escape from unless you are an high mobility champion..
Metalrichdog1 votesThere's one thing I absolutely hate about people Vayne complaints and it's that they never bring up how weak she is early on, nor how she literally sacrifices any ability to do anything other than all-in, nor that she has no poke, and that a single point and click CC can literally shut her down hard (or force her into an early QSS, which will take a dip at her damage)
The higher in rank you are, the less of a problem Vayne feels. I don't know, I've never felt like Vayne was a problem, nor do I really feel like there are too many over the top broken champs. Annoying champs, yes, but not brokenly overpowered.
TheTrueQuarian3 votespeople still think Vayne is weak early lul
it be lìke that2 voteshow is 2 items not considered early game? 
6400g to 1 shot your way to victory.
seems like a good deal to me.
