@Meddler Vayne needs a rework champ frustrating offers too litte counterplay

FaytalityHD··8 votes·1,327 views
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OVERLOADED KIT

1.) Vaynes kit is ridiculously overloaded, every single ability is very valuable and results in her having very few weaknesses for her opponents to exploit, this is particularly bad in solo q. Most of the other adc have at least one ability that doesnt add damage or massive utility (Ezreal W as AD Lucian W etc) and specialize in doing 1 thing. Vayne has way too many options; ability to chase down targets with ease (this is such a good thing to have) Immunity to skillshots with her Q which also grants unheard-of damage potential ( this ability needs urgent changing either massive CD increase or have one of two things it provides taken away; damage, mobility) , tank shredding which should be vaynes trademark ability as its unique and very powerful, point and click CC offering protection even without landing a stun which Vayne absolutely should NOT have given the rest of her hyper mobile elusive kit and her ultimate which I wont go into detail about as too little thought was put into designing this ability ,incredibly overloaded.

LACK OF COUNTERPLAY

2.) Vayne is very frustrating to play against you feel as if you have no way of outplaying her and well thats because she has no skillshots for you to dodge, invisibility, damage fully applied via point and click so you really have to punish this champ incredibly hard early on which can be quite the challenge as champs such as Janna can get her through that stage fairly safely.

SHE NEEDS A REWORK aimed at offering more counterplay to her opponents besides the "stomp me in lane I am so weak with my 500 range",oh wait thats Lucian. Her Q seems like a pretty brainless ability, press to 1 shot point and click and dodge skillshots whenever necessary ( ever tried playing Blitzcrank into Vayne yeah its a miserable experience). I would leave her W as it is but change something about her E. This point and click knockback needs to go. Either remove it entirely or make it a skillshot so it can be dodged or flashed. Her ult should be reworked completely it currently offers too much, enemy assassins have to be very careful about approaching her even in the early mid stages because theres a good chance they will end up being assassinated instead.

IN SHORT : Vayne needs to have meaningful counterplay added to her kit

  1. Her stats are too high especially when taking into consideration what she already has. Her attack speed per level needs to be toned down significantly and I am not talking about 3 %.

  2. Short range often named as one of her core weaknesses HAS TO BE SHORT RANGE. 550 is too much 500 would definitely be more reasonable maybe even lower than that.

  3. Her damage is too high, coupled with unparalleled mobility = unacceptable. Lucian is supposed to be the mobile one and lacks damage and range to compensate funnily enough though Vaynes mobility is second to none in class.

  4. Raise skill needed to play this champ successfully. Yes vayne mains will be very infuriated hearing this but its true as corroborated by statistics that show first time players having 51,5 winrates. To have this champ in her current state among the hardest to play champions in the game is nothing but ridiculous, the champ was a lot healthier design wise when blade of the ruined king was the first item built now the damage is simply too high and consecutively dodging and kiting is rarely required.

TLDR :

  • Too much damage
  • Too mobile
  • Too safe (Yes!)
  • Too little counterplay = frustrating experience for enemy players
  • Damage this high has to be bound to mechanically demanding abilities like new Katarinas kit and not brainless point and clicks
  • Too good at too many things : Single target burst, assassinating, taking down tanks, dodging abilities etc

I hope you do something about this champ and dont protect her forever because Gosu is popular and Vayne his trademark champ . I believe in you riot every adc is sick of being skillfully rightclicked. Kalista item 3070

10 Comments

Mr Broken Wings3 votes

I wont even argue why this post is just salty garbage, instead ill just write: LOL

GULAG 4 U1 votes

"vayne is safe"

Nuff said

FaytalityHD3 votes

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"vayne is safe"

Nuff said

MF is a champ thats not safe

GULAG 4 U1 votes

You have no idea of what you're talking about.

GodJormungandr3 votes

She is fkin cancer dude,, she has to be totally changed and riot should fkin delete her W and passive also her e has to be deleted

3 of her spells must be totally something else in order to say vayne is finally not cancer

GULAG 4 U2 votes

I don't think Vayne doesn't need a rework nor she isn't in need of nerfs, but you've spewed tons of bullshit in the post.

First off, vayne is overloaded? It doesn't matter how many functions you have in your kit if your kit only allows you to kill people. All the utility vayne has is a conditional stun, mobility and damage. She doesn't offer Ashe's vision nor her CC. Caitlyn's zone control or range. Etc.

Vayne isn't immune to skillshots too. Her Q has a CD. Saying a champion is immune to skillshots is simply bullshit.

Second, being frustrating to play against isn't a reason for a rework. Why? Because this is a subjective matter. What you think is annoying isn't what everybody else might think is annoying.

Vayne is safe? Having the smallest Zone as an adc? Vayne's range is limited to tumble Auto, which is about 700-800 units.

The counterplay to vayne is similar to any Skirmisher. They have to get in real close to deal damage (And vayne is no exception) so you have to either CC them or to stay out of their range completely. The latter is only impossible when vayne ults.

550 auto range is very small. Also lucian has his ult, Q and his E's length is much bigger than vayne's. He has much more range, and lucian is a caster type of marksman. He lacks of godly sustained dps for huge burst.

Last off, Vayne is hard. It isn't easy. You must be able to play with her low zone and move around correctly too. Using her Q at crucial moments and placing your E correctly, etc. It's not easy to play any ADC other than Lucian or Ezreal.

Kaioko2 votes

Overloaded Kit? You mean a kit that is designed on only dealing damage to one champion at a time? Her Q damage needs to be toned down so she can't simply crit burst but that's about it.

FaytalityHD1 votes

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Overloaded Kit? You mean a kit that is designed on only dealing damage to one champion at a time? Her Q damage needs to be toned down so she can't simply crit burst but that's about it.

by dealing damage you mean 2shot? What a good way to compensate for lack of AoE right? Kalista item 3070 cant even take down weak targets in 20 hits

Kaioko1 votes

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by dealing damage you mean 2shot? What a good way to compensate for lack of AoE right? Kalista item 3070 cant even take down weak targets in 20 hits

I mean guess you didn't even bother reading my second sentence... Like I said her Q damage needs to be toned down so that she doesn't crit burst but that's about it. Not sure how I could've been more clear.

FaytalityHD1 votes

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I mean guess you didn't even bother reading my second sentence... Like I said her Q damage needs to be toned down so that she doesn't crit burst but that's about it. Not sure how I could've been more clear.

Kalista item 3070 Wheres my 70AD on click and means of annihilating tanks I dont deal any damage to

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