Tell me matchmaking doesn't force 50% winrate after reading this

ThePikol·May 20, 2017·10 votes·3,409 views

So I had winstreak, so NATURALLY now I'm on a huge lose streak, my last games:

my top dies 13 times, supp 13 times, mid 11 times. I as jg have more farm than top and mid.
enemy has adc afk, my bot still lose, twitch decide to leave thresh alone vs sona and rotates top, where he and rene both lose vs nasus
ashe supp, lulu top, gnar jg. mid dies 14 times, jg 13 times And there is more, but I won't list it all. Can Riot make that I'm not punished for winning by getting Wood 7 teammates?

25 Comments

EedatMay 20, 20174 votes

Tell me matchmaking doesn't force 50% winrate

It doesn't.

I climb from S5 to G5 last season with a 66% win rate. I climbed back to Gold this season after the hard reset with a 63% win rate.

Not a single time did I notice Riot trying trying to sabotage me. People have bad games. Get over it.

MysterQMay 20, 20172 votes

The fact that you are climbing that easily means you are just better than the curve. So your experience hardly matters in what the OP is discussing. And I hate to say that because you are right you climbed just fine, but you stop early every time.

option paralysisMay 21, 20171 votes

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It doesn't.

I climb from S5 to G5 last season with a 66% win rate. I climbed back to Gold this season after the hard reset with a 63% win rate.

Not a single time did I notice Riot trying trying to sabotage me. People have bad games. Get over it.

you failed to mention one little fact... that you have only 30 games with 63% win rate lol. try playing hundred more games and then come back and I guarantee you're gonna have a 50% win rate. I had a 60% win rate with 150 games and then guess what happened, literally unwinnable games, like 0/10 by 10 mins games and guess what my win rate is now ? hmmmm yeah 50%.

EedatMay 21, 20171 votes

Thats nice. I had like 80 games last season and it was the same thing.

Who is TaliyahMay 21, 20171 votes

That still doesn't say anything. I have a 62% winrate with Taliyah in 303 games.

There are some games that are unwinnable, but most games come down to yourself It depends on how you are playing.

ThePikolMay 21, 20171 votes

I had 64% win rate, then 34% then 67% now lose again. Coincidence?

JoalsmMay 20, 20174 votes

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SlythionMay 20, 20173 votes

no but they are known to place you with bad teammates in comparison to the enemy team, in which point their chances of feeding increases

JoalsmMay 20, 20171 votes

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SlythionMay 21, 20171 votes

sites like op.gg can give you a good idea of how good a player is.

For instance, a player with a 40% win ratio in silver 3 has a very small chance of being better than the 52% win ratio gold5

Who is TaliyahMay 21, 20171 votes

Yeah I have a 55% winrate in diamond 4, sometimes I have good games sometimes I accidentaly feed the shit out of the game. Having a bad game is nothing you can know before the game even started.

SlythionMay 21, 20171 votes

your comment isn't related to my reasoning...

If a person who is consistently losing against silver 3 players is put up against someone who is consistently winning against gold5 players, it's not that hard to make a reasonable assumption that the gold5 is better than the silver3.

"one bad game" isn't even relevant when I just got done talking about a player's entire history...

G4LLOWSC4L1BR4TRMay 21, 20173 votes

There are tons of players who climb with 60% win rates. I main support and I maintained a 60% win rate over around a hundred games last season. Sometimes you'll get giant win streaks, other times you'll get similar losing streaks, but if you're hovering around 50% it's probably because you're where you should be.

ThePikolMay 21, 20171 votes

I had 60-70% win rate few times too. Always followed by 30% with 8-9 loses in a row like the ones I listed

G4LLOWSC4L1BR4TRMay 22, 20171 votes

You may have had incidental win streaks to boost your win rate temporarily, but even for someone where they belong that's likely to happen due to the nature of statistics. What I'm saying is that people below their correct ranking, it's not hard to achieve consistent 60 or 70% win rates and climb quickly, because matchmaking doesn't actively enforce 50%. You're getting 50% in the long run not because Riot has it out for you, but because you're at the rank where you belong.

KVbqbFsC8eMay 20, 20172 votes

What is the secret that this board has? I'd really like to get in on it. So you only get garbage teammates AFTER you've gone on a win streak? I'd love to have that luxury.

Fondling GemsMay 20, 20175 votes

I don't get garbage teammates after going on a winstreak, I am the garbage teammate to other's winstreaks.

A Basic IslandMay 21, 20171 votes

Acceptance is the first step to repentance

AmonTheFallenMar 14, 20181 votes

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Acceptance is the first step to repentance

Critical thinking is first step towards understanding. Unfortunately you are not there yet.

BALDG1VEN BOOMERMay 20, 20171 votes

It's always enforced a 50%, but bad teammates are bad teammates.

GreatWhiteNorthMay 21, 20171 votes

Imagine how your teamates feel, dragged there by riot to ruin your life.

Drop the attitude. I just carried a game like you described. I taught my teamates how to play for a victory after over an hour of gameplay and the enemy ahead in gold for the entire game. Most of the time by thousands. I was the only player with a positive K/D and only I and the adc has decent farm.

Stay calm, teach your team, carry hard, and do not flame. You have a 50% win rate because you are at the correct elo.

ThePikolMay 21, 20171 votes

You have taught them something? Good for you. When I tell them to "not force fight every time they see enemy" or "to not come save ma when enemy send 4 to kill me and rather go push other lanes or get drag" I hear that I'm noob and it's all my fault

NarsicusMay 21, 20171 votes

Here is a thought experiment for you.

If Riot is enforcing a 50% win rate on everyone, then how do people rise and fall in ranks?

Why are some people enforced at 50% in bronze, and others are enforced at 50% in diamond?

Why would Riot even do this? What benefit is there to randomly spiting players with a 'fake' ranked system instead of just implementing a real ranked system?

Why is it that people come out of the woodwork to proclaim 'forced 50% win rates, I have proof', but the proof is always a LOSING streak? Shouldn't half your games be 'forced' wins? Seems strange that it is only the loses that are 'forced' and the wins are all legitimate skill.

Just the kind of questions that come to mind when people bring this up.

ThePikolMay 21, 20171 votes

Yeah, "forcing 50%" was a bad chosing of worlds. I ment that after big winstreak you are guaranteed to have much, much worse teammates on your team. And that is what is happening. It's my 4th time it happens. I had 60-70% winrate few times followed by 30% and it's happening again. I would call it a strange coincidence if not a lot of players who experience the same

NarsicusMay 21, 20171 votes

It is easy to have a high win rate if you selectively pick the time period. I have something insane like a 78% win rate with Jhin (my main) over the past 25 games. However my overall win rate for this season is closer to 53%, it is positive but not insanely so. And as one might expect from this I have been slowly increasing in rank as I play.

Runs of wins and losses happen all the time, they happen in league where your skill gets carried from game to game (and thus having some small measure of consistency) and they happen in coin flips where there is no hold over at all from one to the next.

The main difference is that when the run is a bunch of losses people feel bad, sometimes REALLY bad. They start to look for solutions, reasons why, some connecting factor that explains why they could be winning THEN losing. But until you start looking at all your games objectively, look at your wins just as harshly as your loses, you are going to keep coming to biased conclusions. Ones that result more from the feelings you bring to them than any actual fact.

I've seen similar complaints in a lot of games, that they are being kept down by the system and should be winning more. But I have yet to see anything to actually make me believe that is truly the case.