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Why do people hate premades so so so much? (By a frequent Premade Player)

Emerald Fang··9 votes·1,610 views

I know I'm going to get about 10,000 downvotes b/c nobody actually respects opinions that aren't their own.

THIS IS FOR NORMAL ONLY. UNRANKED. Ranked premades mess with MMR and boosting etc. so Riot needs a solo/duoqueue for that (which they'll never add back).

I play in premades all the time. Sometimes 3, 4, or 5. Usually 4, however. And I win a lot (more than 50% winrate). And the other guy is NEVER mad. EVER. People have this idea that getting matched with a premade is hell, but why? Most likely the premade will be better than your average soloqueue b/c they know each other. People are just too self-absorbed with themselves.

_But I'm skyped... _ Big DEAL. So you can't talk to your team. Just ping. Even if you have to spam ping over and over again, just do it. The premade wants to win too; they're not just going to ignore your lane. Or just type in chat "******* HELP ME!". Even ASK TO JOIN THE CALL. Unless you're too socially awkward to do so.

But they won't take the game seriously... If you played with your friends would you suddenly not take games seriously? These people are just like you. They want to win.

Sorry for the terribly written post. You get the idea.

23 Comments

Goddammit Skar5 votes

Keep note of the word Average Now I'm not saying I'm good, Hell, I'd be surprised if League let me place in the shittiest, darkest region of Bronze. But your mood kinda goes straight downhill when you're not queued with the Average premades. But instead you're queued with the people who think Bloodrazor Bard Jungle is the best idea and then bot lane goes 0-20 by fifteen minutes, and flames you because you're 3-8 and you've been camped by the enemy premade for the last ten minutes because Bot lane has literally nothing else to do. It's pretty demoralizing :/

Spicy Rice3 votes

To be fair though, you would already get those idiots, its just that they are more concentrated in games as now teams of idiots will be there instead of a small flow of idiots

Eevee In A Jar5 votes

So you agree that premades put unfair advantage against players who don't. So if we had separate entities for Solo/Duo Queue and Team Ranked, why force them into one? People don't hate Dynamic Queue because of Skype voice chat or anything... Man you clearly did 0 thinking on the matter and came to talk about it with bunch of people.

Dynamic Queue kills real competition and competitive fairness. I'm not accusing you of being boosted but there's a chance you might be worse than your teammates yet are getting carried by them. Thus you will get to ranks you do not deserve and can never get without better players carrying you; since you depend on them time after time rather than on your own abilities to contribute to a victory (not saying you don't) are you really earning your rank? Not really.

Emerald Fang1 votes

I am in Bronze 3, lost the last 18 out of 24 ranked games. I got into B1 in promos. I only play soloqueue in Ranked. Also all of my friends are B2-5.

Moses Broseph4 votes

These are just your experiences, not everyones. A lot of it has to do with competitiveness as well, and the fact that premades add too many variables to balance out the equation of fairness i.e. voodoo math.

rtbf2216514121 votes

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These are just your experiences, not everyones. A lot of it has to do with competitiveness as well, and the fact that premades add too many variables to balance out the equation of fairness i.e. voodoo math.

I doubt they calculate matchmaking fairness when an entire team can wipe out another in 15 mins and win the game. (Yes, this has happened)

YJRBqwXJcS4 votes

Because just like you premades will blindly defend friends no matter what

Emerald Fang1 votes

Yeah but I have played solo with premades before. It's not bad. It's almost better.

Lenaro3 votes

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Yeah but I have played solo with premades before. It's not bad. It's almost better.

Please name a reason why it's better.

Lenaro3 votes

Imagine 5 soloQ players; theoretically (ignoring potential role bias) each player has the same impact on their team.

With a premade this shifts, because while the team is still composed of 5 players a 6th actor comes into the game - the coordination and communication of your premade.

In particular premades bother me specifically because they, by design, are unbalanced. ELO doesn't effectively track coordination and with premades in a game coordination becomes vastly more important. No matter what end you're on, the winning or losing, it's not fun when your game is decided by a premade and not you. Premades have a strong tendency, in my experience, to lead to complete stomps. Stomps are never fun.

I hate premades because, by design, they sap my enjoyment of the match in order to bolster their own. I'd welcome anyone to name a single advantage that Solo players get from premades (Free carries are not an advantage, as they aren't fun), because I can certainly name dozens of disadvantages. The entire system suggests that those who group together are more important than those who don't.

Khell DarkWolf3 votes

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**Most likely the premade will be better than your average soloqueue b/c they know each other. **

Lets start here.

You just insinuated that the premade will be better then the solo player. Let's assume that both sides, your team and the enemy are equal.

Part of the ranked ladder is to:

  • A place for competitive environment
  • Improve your skill set
  • Have an even playing field with no handicaps on either side
  • When given challenges, change your strategy to meet the goal
  • Accurately measure that competitive environment

Dynamic premades of 2 to 4 skew the environment because of:

  • the mismatched MMR being thrown together by the dynamic party disrupts what the true level of the whole team/individual is.
  • communication is not there between the two extremes of players that are participating (The Dynamic party and the Solo player).
  • the grouping of the dynamic party interferes with the ability of queue times because it has to find other members to fill the remaining slots in a narrow restricted band that is already being hindered by the mismash MMR being calculated
  • Because there are premades in the system, improving your skill set in the ladder has diminished results as the player isn't learning certain key skills to grow as a player if he didn't have that premade with them in the first place. As you said, if the premade is likely better then the solo player. How will they learn or even the lower end of the spectrum players in the dynamic party learn if the premade is supposedly stomping (better then average)?

First of all, it's about a 1 in 200 chance to be matched with a group of 4, since about 1 in 100 games are groups of 4, and half of those will get matched with groups of 5. (Estimates). Now, what are the chances of a troll group of 4? Take that chance, multiply it by 0.005, and you have a VERY small number.

The fact that 4 man's are allowed means somewhere, somehow, there is always a chance that team of 4 needs a solo player.

The very fact there is a chance at all to be put with a premade, doesn't give it an excuse to dismiss it.

On another note, I don't know where you're citing the 1 in 100 games are groups of 4 or the chances of troll group chance stats. So I won't further comment on that.

_But I'm skyped... _ Big DEAL. So you can't talk to your team. Just ping. Even if you have to spam ping over and over again, just do it. The premade wants to win too; they're not just going to ignore your lane. Or just type in chat "******* HELP ME!". Even ASK TO JOIN THE CALL. Unless you're too socially awkward to do so.

If the tools weren't already provided to you through the game client, a player shouldn't be required to seek outside sources.

Quoted from** Riot TMX** in a older posting with link: http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/en/news/riot-games/announcements/our-stance-3rd-party-applications

We often hear questions about what types of third-party apps Riot considers acceptable, and which are ban-worthy. To help clarify our terms of service, here’s >our official stance on third party applications:

No software should interfere directly with the in-game player experience between when you press “Play” and the end of game screen.

You shouldn’t use any applications that violate this statement, and our Player Support team may take action against your account if you do. As long as an >application doesn’t touch the in-game experience between "Play" and the end-of-game screen, players should feel free to use it at their own risk.

We’ve arrived at this policy for a few reasons:

  • Our top priority is to preserve the consistency of the in-game experience.
  • We strive to make League the most sportsmanlike, competitive game.
  • We do want to empower the community to contribute to experiences outside of the in-game League experience.

When you download League of Legends, we want it to be the complete experience -- **you shouldn't have to go digging for other apps and add-ons just to stay competitive. ** It's also important that the games you play are stable and secure, and 3rd party applications can potentially affect the stability of the core League experience.

In addition to the above, some programs or applications can warp your interactions with other players and have a direct impact on the quality of the >experience.

Outside of the core game experience, we love all the other things that the community has created: websites that have champion guides, stats, videos, fan art -- you name it.

This policy allows for all the cool stuff, but also enables us to disallow anything that directly integrates in-between the in-game experience and after-game >stats.

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But they won't take the game seriously... If you played with your friends would you suddenly not take games seriously? These people are just like you. They want to win.

There are times playing with friends can actually be distracting from the actual objective what is going on in the game. There have been plenty of people that are with premades that are focused to the game and working together. And than there is the group of players that are playing but are so busying jesting each other that they are distracted from the in-game events.

Emerald Fang1 votes

I can see where you're coming from, but about the riot quote: Skype affects in-game experience for the solo player (obviously). So by what they're saying, using Skype is bannable. Correct me if I'm wrong.

Khell DarkWolf1 votes

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I can see where you're coming from, but about the riot quote: Skype affects in-game experience for the solo player (obviously). So by what they're saying, using Skype is bannable. Correct me if I'm wrong.

I do not know if using Skype is bannable or not. I can't further comment on that other then I do know that through skype it is possible to DDoS a person if you know whom they are and have the credentials of the target, especially if they are on your friend list.

The known list_ I have_ is here: http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/player-behavior-moderation/5dmkJinG-3rd-party-applicationsmodifications-whats-allowed-and-what-isnt

Emerald Fang2 votes

Already 2 downvotes. Fuck this community. Exactly why I play with premades. Guarantee they didn't even read the post.

PhDs Nuts5 votes

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Already a downvote. Fuck this community.

You started with an insult. Then you followed it up with made up statistics. What did you expect?

Edit: And then you went straight back to insults.

Short answer is that premades are the duos of season 6 with a heavier impact on matchmaking.

Miss Luxanna2 votes

There's nothing wrong with premades in my opinion.

MajorMunchies3 votes

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Already 2 downvotes. Fuck this community. Exactly why I play with premades. Guarantee they didn't even read the post.

read your post. You seem to think verbally talking to someone has no advantage over typing to them. If you were in a war and you wanted to tell the soldier next to you something would you rather talk to them, or type it out to them? Do you think its possible to type and play league at the same time? its impossible. Also when you're talking to people in skype its a lot more personal than in game, they are a LOT more likely to listen to you and do what you say because they dont want to fk up a friendship... Dynamic que premades being put with solo quers is toxic

Kai Guy2 votes

From what i have read on teh boards...

  1. Any premade 3,4 or apparently 5 is only there to troll you if they are on your team and you will lose do to a majority of teammates trolling and reporting you. They 100% ignore every thing you type and only work to gank echother lane and watch you fall behind.
  2. Any premade is 3 ,4, or 5 and on the enemy team is on skype and your team is almost 100% def solo que players and have no way, shape, or form to communicate be it pings or team chat to counter act their ungodly teamwork. It is well known that only qued player can read chat or see pings. so you will lose yout lane due to said premades.Give up on any attempty to carry your premade scrubloard noob teammates becuase those daft fools are all shit tier player who have no understanding of teamwork and its rigged that your vs a 4 man team, everbody should know that the best time to take barron is level 11 especial when all 5 enemy team is up, with a pink ward in barron,k and your side has no vision near him. Now if If some how you beat all odds when you go solo and your vs a 3,4 or god forbid 5 man team Thenriot (sorry my bad RITO) puts you witha premade team... then look back to point 1 and lose.
Emerald Fang1 votes

But you read it on BOARDS.

Never take boards seriously.

EWBS Mithilesh2 votes

first of all, have an upvote.

let me explain the premade hate.

ranked is a rating of the individual. yet you (yes you) are wining games with your friends, gaining lp, greater than 50 winrate. so youre rising in lp and getting a better individual rating based on you and your friend's collective skill.

its like taking a test, yet you and your friends pass the test together. "i have straight As" this isnt allowed in school. your grade is based on you and your performance. but we allow this in league ranked?

and btw its not necessarily directed at you.

another btw. im a solo player, jung main. i like being the solo jung that carries a 4 man its hilarious.

although sometimes i duo. check my history #jaxcarry

Emerald Fang1 votes

People are getting the wrong impression of this. I didn't mean Ranked, b/c obviously Ranked premades mess with the MMR system. I meant normal, unranked games.

PhDs Nuts2 votes

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People are getting the wrong impression of this. I didn't mean Ranked, b/c obviously Ranked premades mess with the MMR system. I meant normal, unranked games.

Most of the complaints on the boards about DQ have been about ranked. You didn't mean normals, because that's not where the "hate" came from.

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