"B-Buh Urgot and Kalista..

Mira Arya Enthe·Oct 31, 2016·48 votes·3,671 views

...and Aatrox and..."

Please... just stop. Really. Posting their names(or images) on every board about another champion's design or balance is not only pointless but as been done ad nauseam, as in, we are sick of hearing it. We ALL know these champions are garbage, RIOT KNOWS! They are looking into reworks since they are in the same spot as old Yorick, far too oppressive when not nerfed into the ground. You aren't bringing attention to it, we all know it's a problem. You are just making some people(like me) hate that champion. Like I like Aatrox, but at this point I am so sick of hearing about him I forever have a taint on his image. Just stop. Seriously.

93 Comments

Jax the StampedeOct 31, 201625 votes

Ummm....my Master Level 5 Urgot highly disagrees with your claim that he is useless. Also, he's hungry so bring him Nasus and Garen.

HyperZEROXLOct 31, 20165 votes

^^^ THIS guy! +1

General Esdeath Oct 31, 20164 votes

level 5

Level 5 just means playing, now level 7 is something big B)

Jax the StampedeNov 1, 20161 votes

Ok, what's your response to the level 6's here then? As soon as I see 5 more Nasus/Garens I'll be level 7 btw, that's how completely op he is in that situation. :P

Jax the StampedeNov 1, 20161 votes

Also, there's a huge difference in the points you get for a win or lose regardless of how well you do. So level 5 means I can win fairly consistently at the minimum at that point. Now, that being said, I usually get nothing lower than an S- on Urgot because he's OP as hell. People just don't get how he words.

ParticulateNov 1, 20161 votes

You Are Level 11 Just Wait, the losses will come, and the tilt, and the decay of ranks... oh sorry that was a quote from my match history book, keep doing you babe.

Jax the StampedeNov 4, 20161 votes

Lol, I would think the fact that the name Jax is in my summoner name would make it obvious that this isn't my first account XD

TwidgetronNov 4, 20161 votes

Level 6 Mastery Urgot here! Working towards level 7.

Jax the StampedeNov 8, 20161 votes

Urgonna make it. All urgoda do is believe.

RexSaurOct 31, 201614 votes

I agree so much, its almost like ppl have amnesia about kalista being 100% pick/ban in competitive play for a whole year after over 10 patches worth of nerfs.

Kalista should be split down into 2 champs (one high mobile damage adc the other the support saving/high utility adc), her kit is straight up an overloaded mess.

BeatzBoyFTWOct 31, 201612 votes

"Riot knows it's a problem".

Find me a thread where they knew the Morde rework was crap & needs works.

MelledoneusOct 31, 20169 votes

The one made a year later saying "whoops we f*cked up."

ModCaptainMårvelousOct 31, 20163 votes

Here you go.

We'd like to do one someday, we don't currently have one underway or plans to start one soon though. There are other champions (Warwick, Galio, Urgot at the least, likely at least a couple more) that we feel need a full update more.

"We know but there are more problematic champs at the moment."

An Unseen RengarOct 31, 20162 votes

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"Riot knows it's a problem".

Find me a thread where they knew the Morde rework was crap & needs works.

https://m.popkey.co/ab0483/a0qre.gif

DecritOct 31, 20162 votes

Yeah, let' s go find a thread maybe weeks old.

They said that Aatrox would be one of the main benefitters of a divers update, they said that Kalista is problematic ( while i did not see them complain too much about her ) and urgoth is often bought up to be worked on a VGU level.

So, there are not promises, but on ask.fm GC stated: http://ask.fm/RiotGhostcrawler/answers/141215564939 http://ask.fm/RiotGhostcrawler/answers/140353664139

Also from feralpony: http://ask.fm/RiotFeralPony/answers/138760592902 http://ask.fm/RiotFeralPony/answers/138973960966

that' s what i parsed with a 2 min search.

Papa AndreiOct 31, 20161 votes

Honestly Urgot just needs a change to his ulty imo, and graphics, everything else is the perfect amount cohesion in a champion playstyle. WIth very clear windows of power, DOes he have his E and W up? No, go in, he can't fight you.

DecritNov 1, 20162 votes

so, i am not an urgoth player, but i honestly think that the ult is probably the only thing nice in his kit.

Yeah, it is garbage, but the rest is not better.

Besides an underpowered ezreal's Q you have a weird shield that basically means "i autowin trades" especially if fed or against melees and his E which purpose is to deny counterplay to the Q and to offer a slight damage boost. And a passive that adds nothing both to the game and to the kit itself if not additional raw dueling power by stats.

It is a very binary and straightforward pattern which is based on denying counterplay for the enemy and using some weird tools to win trades and duels. Since many of his spell slots are used to interact on the same thing and pattern he does just a thing, and not even a very much special one.

Papa AndreiNov 1, 20161 votes

He is designed to be an Artillery marksman, with highly advanced tech, from a thematic point of view? Everything in his kit besides ult fits that perfectly. Yes his shield is small, and its only benefit is to mitigate a little damage, or slow an enemy, but still effective. Its like Vi shield, why is it there? To win duels.

His E is an armor shred Q buff basically, nothing wrong that, Master Yi and Irelia have basically same thing, it just turns his Q into a slowe AA basically.

And His Q is just a straight line dps spell, like Karthus, Ez, or Cass.

DecritNov 1, 20161 votes

dude, being a techy guy does not excuse you for being a jerk :P

E -> Q combo is surely something that will either go away totally or will be gated behind time frames, there is just no excuse for that to exist otherwise. E is not a "simple" buff - it totally morphs the Q into a different spell!

Plus there are already too many floating buffs in his kit, between AD reduction and armor reduction. I mean i get the theme but not only do not feel impactful enough but they onyl act as an empoerement.

By itself an empowrement is not bad, but it reducted the amount of things a champion can do by increasing the performance on what it can already do. And urgoth has 2 empowrements ( 3 if we count the shield too), so it really forced him to do the same thing over and over again.

Also, his Q is not bad. But is also nothing exceptional.

ToastersaotOct 31, 20169 votes

Mordekaiser Have you ever played against a decent one?

rtbf225618241Oct 31, 20163 votes

Not sure. They all feed past Mid-Platinum because he's useless against any sort of range.

Malicious MetalOct 31, 20167 votes

Keep telling yourself that

MohawkBirdOct 31, 20162 votes

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Malicious MetalOct 31, 20164 votes

because most ranged top laners are banned and Morde fairs really well against melee champs :P

MohawkBirdOct 31, 20162 votes

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Malicious MetalOct 31, 20161 votes

Morde does well against Kennen, Gnar, Vlad and Swain though.

rtbf225618241Nov 1, 20161 votes

Because they all fail at doing consistent damage because of his shield during early game. You can kiss your movement goodbye mid-late game.

Malicious MetalNov 1, 20163 votes

Good thing this is a team game then, huh?

rtbf225618241Nov 1, 20161 votes

Top laners shouldn't be so weak that they're practically Supports by that argument.

Also, are you really going to waste your Junglers time just because you picked a champion that's inferior to so many others with a questionable success rate of ganks?

Malicious MetalNov 1, 20163 votes

I wouldn't call Mordekaiser weak when he provides a really strong frontline, insane damage and perma slows with Rylais. He can force engages just by tagging someone with his ultimate.

It's that he works exceptionally well with tanky supports and junglers so that he can fight alongside them and get the most out of his kit's value. And I actually play him a lot in mid as well.

And when I play him top I never really need ganks. I'm in an elo where you don't really need to stomp your lane to win. I max W so I can just push the wave with one spell, force them to last hit under tower and go snatch a jungle camp or two.

There are literally just two matchup that I struggle with and those are Jayce, who is banned a ton, and Tryndamere who isn't exactly a common sight.

Malicious MetalOct 31, 20165 votes

If not I'd happily oblige to some lessons in Pain and suffering

sp441Oct 31, 20169 votes

"Urgot is garbage"

1V1 ME BICH

Papa AndreiOct 31, 20163 votes

LIterally my go to when like a zed main or yasuo tries to pull that off xD just like oh you are trying to dive me? LAWL

sp441Nov 1, 20163 votes

Yeah, Urgot just SHITS all over Zed. He's too tanky to be bursted, and has enough range to trade harass with profit.

Pierce The VealOct 31, 20166 votes

Urgot is actually pretty strong played mid or top. It's just that his gameplay is utterly uninteresting, that's why nobody plays him.

SgtAwesomenessOct 31, 20165 votes

jokes Urgot on Urgot you Urgot i Urgot just Urgot got Urgot level 7 Urgot

Scary DoorNov 1, 20165 votes

Whining about threads that whine.

How utterly new and original.

AhristocatsNov 1, 20164 votes

Urgot weak

hahahahhahaha

AttackOnTeemosOct 31, 20162 votes

Urgot isn't bad, his weakness is just he is mid to late game. You under estimate what his E does and his ultimate. I've got soo many first bloods simply due to someone wanting to try and tower dive me. Even the best tank in game can't stand against his E if it hits them, god forbid if you are a squish on top of it.

BoulderoxOct 31, 20162 votes

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Urgot isn't bad, his weakness is just he is mid to late game. You under estimate what his E does and his ultimate. I've got soo many first bloods simply due to someone wanting to try and tower dive me. Even the best tank in game can't stand against his E if it hits them, god forbid if you are a squish on top of it.

honestly idk why he isn't more relevant top lane, his passive lowers damage of enemy by 15% + item 3046 another 12%, AS and crit aren't awful, minion block is gone too, and he gets 30% damage reduction on ult channel, i have had some decent success as long as the team isn't dependent on me to carry, which is where urgot falls sadly.

NeameanNov 1, 20162 votes

At first I thought you were complaining about Aatrox/Urgot/Kalista thread then I realize you are actually complaining about comment about Aatrox/Urgot/Kalista in threads that has nothing to do with them. Also I think a lot of people may have thought the same.

Like when I post a thread about Shen needing a skin I get bombarded by Cass/Viktor/Zyra need one more.

https://media.giphy.com/media/10uct1aSFT7QiY/giphy.gif

It isn't about who need one MORE it should be really just who needs one. Like why are you undermining X needs just because you believe Y need it more. Why can't we all get the love.

Mira Arya EntheNov 1, 20161 votes

This basically.

warpenguin555Oct 31, 20161 votes

Karma and Sona should be added to this list. The amount of people that where moaning about the earlier in the year made me want them nerfed into the ground forever.

PrimaquariusOct 31, 20169 votes

Hiya, Sona main here, asking for no buffs or nerfs. Sona is fine as-is

warpenguin555Oct 31, 20161 votes

It hasn't really been a problem for few months now but omg when it was...

PrimaquariusOct 31, 20165 votes

Buffs now lead to nerfs later, as history dictates. I don't want my support ace to become trash tier down the road

Papa AndreiOct 31, 20162 votes

{quoted}

Hiya, Sona main here, asking for no buffs or nerfs. Sona is fine** ass**-is

Fixed it.

PrimaquariusNov 1, 20162 votes

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JDB8eoX8x0Oct 31, 20161 votes

Kalista used to be good until hard hitting CC tanks happened. What's a mid-range jump dodging ADC good for in a meta where all of your high-skill high-reward gameplay is absolutely nullified by an auto stun? It's not fun to try really hard with a champion that requires you to do so and only to get gutted by a drooling infant like Nautilus

LimmieOct 31, 20165 votes

Playing against a Kalista when she was viable was one of the most awful experiences ever. As she hopped about left and right turning everybody into pincushions after she ulted the Alistair into your whole team, the only thing that could balance the feelings of utter rage and helplessness was the knowledge that the damn git playing her would inevitably get carpal tunnel syndrome a few months down the line.