Darius is getting it.

Garen has even less ways of dealing with mobility creeps as one of the only tank/bruisers with lack of hard cc. Darius can pull, slow and get an ms boost, and does all 3 forms of damage. For real.

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I do miss season 1 when Garen might've been considered freelo, now he's been such bleh trash its sad.

Normally, I'd agree with their saying that Garen's ult prevents you from laning against him (since he can kill you, and then do it again when you return to lane; thats their justification on not buffing it anyway)

's Wind Slash does pretty much the same thing though, and its AoE, AND on a lower cooldown. At the very least they should lower the CD to match Wind Slash.

Garen isn't that bad really. Look at his kit. I'm not saying he's Nidalee, Zed, or Lee Sin level but I think he's decent.

-Extremely tanky -Very nice movement steroids -Silence -Good wave clear -Nice execute -Good skins/models -Classic and fun -Easy to play

The only thing I think should be changed about him is his splash art, it looks like his head is shrunk with his 500 pound shoulderpads.

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Has free mobility boost, extra self-defence & tenacity, & does not use any resources.

No mobility (passive is as unnoticeable as old Sion's passive), not much gap closers, & uses mana, causing him to oom really fast when he gets his resets.

This is true however its a shallow comparison between the two. Now if you were to include.

Has pseudo ranged harass in the form of Decimate(it does more damage at max range), a slow, an AOE pull that can occasionally ignore flash(bug), has excessive kill potential in lane, and decent DPS late. Has a silence, lower damage output and kill potential at every stage of the game.

With that included it still would NOT be a good comparison.... :P

Garen and Darius are rivals who kits were intentionally designed to be similar. Between the two Darius focuses on soul crushing damage, and has been hated by many for that very reason. Garen focuses on being tougher so he can soak up all the damage while charging the carries. They're both relatively low mobility melees that are strong early, and weak late game. However of the two Darius is actually the more lane dominant champion, while Garen actually holds up better late(neither are good late game champs overall however). As someone who basically mains both, i would say Garen holds up better for his performance as a tank. However i don't believe either are particularly good, and i do believe they're deserving of buffs, among other champs(Cough Shen pls Cough*).

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Darius has shitty base stats and nothing in his kit gives him any sort of defense.

Garen has good base stats, good damage, and can still dish out that damage while building mostly tank.

Darius did not need buffs any more than Garen, and they are both very hurt by mobility creep. In fact Darius was, and still is impacted less by the release of Gnar and Kalista then Garen(two of the biggest offenders). Darius can combat them with his excessive early game kill potential, and his pull. Garen can't get in range of them period. Neither of them scale well into late game. Furthermore Darius can also deal plenty of damage while building mostly tank, its just neither of them will get a chance to use it against mobile targets.

Yeah but the trade is Garen's ult is magic damage. You know all you have to build is a hex drinker to make garen's ult useless. So Give Garen's ult a reset at rank III

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People don't seem to realize that Garen has the highest potential execution damage in the game.

Oh look i can deal 9999 damage to a target with no MR at 1HP... wow what a powerful execute(sarcasm).

Its not like i couldn't stand there and wait with for them to die at that point or anything....

Being able to completely overkill an ALREADY DEAD target is a terrible excuse!

Garen's ult is only a strong as people like you believe it is on paper, because you're not factoring in ANY variables. If the target has very low HP with no MR, any of the other executes will be just as effective as Garen's(Doing 1000 magic damage to a target with 200 HP, is no better than 600 true damage). However if the target has more than 40% of their HP remaining and god forbid some MR, most other executes are superior such as Noxian Gullotine or Wind slash(Demacian Justice also gives ZERO benefits after it does its job). Garen's ult isn't flexible, has huge drawbacks, and is much more powerful on paper than in practice.

Note: If you're going to downvote this post at least state why, or present a counter argument.

That is bullshit, his execute completely relies on killing a target already near death and has no other scalings. Meanwhile, look at Jinx.

Super Mega Death Rocket! RANGE: Global COST: 100 MANA COOLDOWN: 90 / 75 / 60

ACTIVE: Jinx fires a rocket that travels in a line, exploding on a 225-range area around the first enemy champion hit. The primary target of the explosion takes full damage, while nearby enemies take 80% of the total damage. Enemies caught in the explosion take physical damage equal to a base amount, plus a percentage of their missing health (max. 300 vs. minions and monsters [2]). MINIMUM PHYSICAL DAMAGE: 125 / 175 / 225 (+ 50% bonus AD) (+ 25 / 30 / 35% of enemies' missing health) The base amount of damage increases by 1% per 15 unit the rocket travels over the first second, for a maximum of 100% bonus damage (200% total damage), and the missing health component is individually taken by the targets[3]. MAXIMUM PHYSICAL DAMAGE: 250 / 350 / 450 (+ 100% bonus AD) (+ 25 / 30 / 35% of enemies' missing health)

Her ult deal** 5% less** missing health damage than Garen's and has **global range, lower cooldown, is an aoe, can potentially do double it's base damage and scales off of AD. **

So sure, if we were talking about a sion with 1/7000 health I bet Garen will do more damage with his ultimate, but at that point does it matter?

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His lvl 1 ult is one of the longest CD's in the game and it still does less damage than Nidalee's jump

Garen's ult CD at lv.1 is the sixth longest in the game IIRC.