Meddler, is there room for a big AP and HP item for mid laners?

Linna Excel·Nov 4, 2016·2 votes·555 views

I was wondering as a side point to the rylai's discussion, could we have a viable item with either 100 AP / 400 HP or 80 AP / 500 HP? I understand that it would need a new passive of some kind that is not a slow effect, maybe oriented towards battle mages and AP bruisers, but would the item people get for a lot of AP and HP work?

As someone who occasionally plays Ahri mid, I know I could live without the on hit slow as Luden's is pretty good on her. However it's when you go even or fall behind that she kind of wants rylai's stats base more than anything. I mean everyone is complaining about the slow effect, but it's the stats on the item that really makes it attractive to so many players; it's not really core on most champs but it's the best fallback item for any mage who didn't win lane so they can be kind of relevant or at least not feed as hard.

12 Comments

BastionKrossNov 4, 20166 votes

item 3027

LeeerzeichenNov 4, 20162 votes

This item has to scale and is pretty weak the moment you buy it. You also have to buy it early otherwise it will probably never reach its full potential in time.

The Darius KingNov 4, 20162 votes

That's why most people get it first item if they need health+ AP + mana

Linna ExcelNov 4, 20161 votes

It's good on some AP champs, but others can't really justify delaying power that long.

TyrekGoldenspearNov 4, 20162 votes

item 3030 This gives a nice chunk of health, mana, and AP. Just a little less than a fully stacked RoA with no waiting.

Linna ExcelNov 5, 20161 votes

It's not bad, but in some cases I might not want the mana as much as a little more health and/or AP.

Sire HippingtonNov 4, 20162 votes

Well, for most cases RoA would be the answer, though it certainly wouldn't hurt to have a strong ap+hp option that doesn't need to stack for 10min in some situations...probably with more focus on HP.

Linna ExcelNov 5, 20161 votes

That depends on when you get your power. RoA is good for champs who power spike a little later and can accept being a bit weaker early on. Some champs don't want that power in 10 minutes.

Sahn UzalNov 4, 20161 votes

AP + Slow? ''k'' HP + Slow? k HP + AP? ''k'' HP + AP + Slow? Not k at all.

just my 2 cents.

TequilaZombieNov 4, 20162 votes

Crapload of HP + Fuckton of AP + Bullshitty Perma Slow?* Not k at all.

Fixed for you. I may have put an extra dose of salt, tho.

Carrie PigeonNov 4, 20161 votes

Hextech GLP item 3030 and Liandries item 3151 are some nice HP + AP items who also have rather nice passives.

Linna ExcelNov 5, 20161 votes

I like Liandry's, but I like it more on champs with access to enough CC to make use of that passive. IMO it'd be great on someone like Aussie as he builds Rylai's regularly and makes good use of the skill. Evelynn if she goes that combo is the same.