oh god please get rid of oathsworn

Anonagon·Nov 29, 2014·5 votes·1,068 views

I just had the misfortune to be Kalista's Oathsworn for the first time. It was only a bot game, but the feeling of lost autonomy was appalling.

Is this supposed to be teamwork? Because really it just feels like being a slave or puppet. There is no teamwork here, its just Kalista BMing an ally.

Oh, you wanted that last hit? Too bad, Kalista W passive gives her the credit. You are about to kill an enemy and you need the gold? Oooh, sorry bud. That little marker over their head was too much for Kalista to resist attacking. Oh, you were about to turn around a fight at low health? You didn't need to be saved? Well too bad, Kalista wants to use her fancy knockup.

Oathsworn is an idea that a kit should be built around from the ground up, not tacked on like it is on Kalista. Remove it, give her a new ultimate, then build a dedicated support champion from the ground up with the Oathsworn idea as their basis.

12 Comments

WorgslargNov 29, 20144 votes

Since when is the ADC getting kills or cs a problem?

FiendOfOneNov 29, 20142 votes

Since when is the ADC getting kills or cs a problem?

Specifically, it's a problem for tank supports who want to use Targon's, because it means that the passive (where both the ADC AND support get the gold, and a small heal on the ADC) can never proc if Kalista has hit the minion too recently.

AnonagonNov 29, 20141 votes

Since when is the ADC getting kills or cs a problem?

It is a problem when the ADC is bad and you as the jungler or support scale well with gold. AKA - the Kalista player you are playing with is absolute trash, 0/6 or something like that. You are the Jarvan/Malphite jungler who Kalista decided to Oathsworn. Any gold that goes to that Kalista is wasted, but she can take anything from you just by AAing it after you do, or by ulting you when the target gets low.

Its not just that. Sometimes people play supports that scale very, very well with gold and items. Annie, Vel'Koz, Blitzcrank, Karma, Morgana, to name a few. These are champions that can be taken support that do very well with kills and gold. But Kalista can deny these characters from getting any extra gold outside of their gold generating items.

Gray FanchonNov 29, 20143 votes

I don't understand - if you're a support, you have a gold generating item which gives you gold for not CSing. If you're a jungler, you have jungle-full of monsters from which to get gold. These roles are designed around not having to CS in order to have gold.

There are certainly supports that can carry, but the whole point of playing the support role is helping one of the designated carries to carry. If you don't want to do that, why play support?

AnonagonNov 29, 20141 votes

why play support?

It would do you good to realize that A) most of the time in soloQ the person who is support did not want to play support, and B) Kalista can Oathsworn any team member, not just the support

Gray FanchonNov 29, 20141 votes

Try team builder? If you don't mind a bit of waiting, you can pretty much get any role you like. I mean, if you're playing a role you don't want to play, odds are good you're not having a great time no matter what you do. And, I mean...I still don't get it - is this hypothetical Kalista gonna take the jungler's monsters, or mid or top lane's CS...?

AnonagonNov 29, 20141 votes

Try team builder? If you don't mind a bit of waiting, you can pretty much get any role you like. I mean, if you're playing a role you don't want to play, odds are good you're not having a great time no matter what you do. And, I mean...I still don't get it - is this hypothetical Kalista gonna take the jungler's monsters, or mid or top lane's CS...?

Right. Let me just play that Team Builder Ranked Que- Oh wait, that doesn't exist. It doesn't matter though, I have a perfectly fine time playing support if I'm forced into it. I am capable at all roles.

And the hypothetical Kalista doesn't matter. Just look at ADCs as they exist in the game already. They are notably the most selfish role, the most likely to take another laner's CS even when they need it. They are much more likely than mid or top to feel entitled to jungle gold - As a jungle main, I've had several ADCs request that I let them have the last hit on Dragon and the Crab so that they get the gold (also, edit before someone calls me out on this - I realize dragon no longer gives gold. It just goes to show how ignorant ADCs are). ADCs love to take all the gold they can from their allies - Kalista can just do it much more efficiently to a single person, and it is going to really annoy junglers, top laners, and supports.

Gray FanchonNov 29, 20142 votes

Well, in all fairness, it is an ADCs' job to carry - it's kind of in the name. Of course they're going to want to get as much gold as they can, they're nowhere near as useful without items. And if they're requesting it, er...that doesn't sound like entitlement. That sounds like an honest request! Have you considered just asking your ADC to let you have a bit more gold, or maybe avoid certain jungle camps? I mean, they're just doing what the game encourages them to do, man.

And frankly, as a jungler I see more mid-laners taking my chickens than I do bot laners taking my turtles. :P

AnonagonNov 29, 20141 votes

Well, in all fairness, it is an ADCs' job to carry - it's kind of in the name. Of course they're going to want to get as much gold as they can, they're nowhere near as useful without items. And if they're requesting it, er...that doesn't sound like entitlement. That sounds like an honest request! Have you considered just asking your ADC to let you have a bit more gold, or maybe avoid certain jungle camps? I mean, they're just doing what the game encourages them to do, man.

And frankly, as a jungler I see more mid-laners taking my chickens than I do bot laners taking my turtles. :P

The thing is, in LoL, theres a reason Riot renamed them Marksmen. Its makes sense, because the ADC isn't the only role that can carry a game, and there are certain ADCs that have bad lategames and amazing early games. And when I said "request"... I should have said that they tell me "Give me the last hits on Dragon/Crab". There is no question. There is no "Can I?".

Gray FanchonNov 30, 20141 votes

Which ADCs have bad lategames? I'm curious, every ADC I can think of scales really well with items last I saw them in action.

And, well, demands are another thing. Either let them have their 30 gold or tell them tough luck and take it for yourself, I s'pose.

AnonagonNov 30, 20141 votes

Which ADCs have bad lategames? I'm curious, every ADC I can think of scales really well with items last I saw them in action.

And, well, demands are another thing. Either let them have their 30 gold or tell them tough luck and take it for yourself, I s'pose.

Urgot

Seriously though, because of his short range and lack of skillshots, Draven has a hard time lategame, even if his damage is ridiculous. Triforce Ezreal's damage becomes very underwhelming lategame (though Blue Ezreal scales very very well). Caitlyn is basically a cannon minion lategame.

Gray FanchonNov 30, 20141 votes

Interesting. I'll have to keep an eye out for that in my own matches.