"Our design approach doesn't go '1. Think about how something might impact Morde"-Meddler

Malicious Metal··13 votes·658 views

Let me preface this by saying that I have nothing but respect for the man. He's the head of the balance team and a lot of frustration at the game is being directed towards him because he represents the game's balance. And he still manages to keep his cool and keep the players up to date on the inner workings of the balance team.

Yet this little statement towards my apparent outrage about an Anti-shielding item being introduced to league left a bad taste in my mouth, and let me tell you why:


Of course the balance team doesn't think about how stuff impacts ONE out of 138+ champions.

But I as a Mordekaiser MAIN does. As do other mains of their champions.

We're fanatics that love our champions and every change, be it little or large, is one we'll see in relation to our mains. New Runes introduced? Of course everyone's going to be looking at THEIR champions. Items being nerfed? Who do you think is the first one to go on how the changes are bad and how it'll impact some champions negatively.

Mains exist for a reason and the one thing they have in common is playing the game for these characters and wanting them to be good and fun to play. Do I care about champions like Ahri, Jayce, Riven and co? Not so much, only if I'm facing them. Does that mean they're worth less than my own champion? Nope.

But they're the same as me since the mains of these champions are also going to see changes in relation to their main champions' state in the game.

The balance team can't do that because they balance the game around ALL champions. They can't play favorites but just going as far as to tell a Morde main what he already knows just feels like a slap in the face. Yes, I'm VERY vocal about Mordekaiser but that doesn't mean that my view on things is worth nothing in the big picture.

This game is an ecosystem of over a hundred champions with each and every one of them being able to potentially make or break a game, in their favor and at the expense of other players.


In the end it just felt insulting that a Morde main is being criticized for reacting to a change that could spell the potential doom for his champion as it's an action being taken in response to a Shield stacking meta that Mordekaiser himself had no part in. So yes, excuse me for being overly sensitive about a change that seems so haphazard like introducing items to combat a symptom rather than changing the fundamentals of how shield stacking works.

In the end these Items aren't even final and they're going to take some time to be balanced out. Who knows, maybe they'll be total garbage for the most part and maybe Mordekaiser is going to have a convenient bug where Iron Man isn't going to be counted as a shield. It's all in the future and crying over something that's not even in game yet isn't going to help at all


Tl;DR: Some perspective on how opinions on new changes work in regards to a person's main.

23 Comments

Quepha10 votes

Look at your post in that thread again, you were clearly paraphrasing Riot's planned changes as "Fuck Mordekaiser"

You were not offering a reasoned perspective, you were being a dick.

AFilthyCaitMain8 votes

Well if he gets harshly affected by this he will get buffed. Thats kind of meddlers point here. THe shield thing is an overall net gain for the game, and mordekaiser will simply have sit it out until he gets a deserved buff. They cant just not ship something because it interferes with 1-4ish champions

also the op was acting somewhat rude in his post, so meddler did that cheeky statement

Malicious Metal3 votes

I don't even know, from the information we got, if these items are a net buff for the game as they introduce an entirely new dynamic into the game.

Plus I don't see how they punish shield stacking more than champions with self-shields on low-moderate cooldowns.

AFilthyCaitMain3 votes

Its a net buff because of the shield creep were seeing. Shields have little counterplay as is, which is fine when youve got like 1 or 2 shields in your game. but the problem starts when you have several in your game and its borderline impossible to trade, kill someone, etc. This is a fix for that.

Meddler i think confirmed the item will be more geared towards bad stats so you just dont buy it against like 2 shields. yes i know, this sounds crazy. But just remember its just like adding Grievous Wounds to the game to stop oppressive sustain.

Raid Boss Morde1 votes

But he probably won't get buffed anyways. Look at Morde's core item, Rylai's. It got nerfed hard, and he never received compensation, but Taliyah and Azir did. You know, even though they have CC in their kits, so they didn't need it. I barely build Rylai's anymore on Morde, it's just so weak now.

Strength of the Ages got removed, and they said they would buff the HP of the champions who used it that can't use CoC (Morde was on the list). They never did that either.

Gunblade got nerfed too, which is pretty core on Morde. This is the only one I'm really okay with, because I've always thought it was way too strong, so I don't really care about that case.

Ahristocats2 votes

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But he probably won't get buffed anyways. Look at Morde's core item, Rylai's. It got nerfed hard, and he never received compensation

because he didn't need it Morde doesn't need Rylai to do anything, he can kill someone in 1 sec from 600 range with gunblade+E+R+W on an ally

The item was also oppressive against him so he didn't need a buff compensation

now with the antishield bullshit it's an other story

Raid Boss Morde1 votes

He's got no way to actually kill someone unless someone is dumb enough to sit on top of you while you burst them, or you just flash onto a squishy. Gunblade almost never secures kills because the slow is pretty short.

Every kill I get is because of the enemies outplaying themselves by trying to have an extended trade in melee range, or you know... I'm hyper fed and just flash onto people.

Ahristocats1 votes

not going to bother with low elo if you don't have any ally with cc means it's low elo by default

if you don't have enough burst with ult+E+gunblade+W then you're doing it completly wrong i don't know what the fuck you're building because with gunblade+rabadon+void staff+liandry his W+E alone deals 1000 damage

Raid Boss Morde2 votes

Yeah, an ally with CC. So you have to rely on teammates just to kill anyone as a solo laner, that's not a great design.

And with the build you listed, that would be horrible. You're extremely squishy and would die right away... I would never build Rabadon's on Morde unless I'm way far ahead and messing around.

Mens Hair Club1 votes

no it isn't, self healing is a mess because of gw and now we'll need to balance self shields around any schmuck with spare change being able to remove it at will

DrCyanide4 votes

You know that your comment felt very, very racial, even by main standards, right?

At some point post pre-season we'll likely get some anti shield items into the game, intended to be responses to enemy teams stacking shields really heavily. ... Something to bring shield heavy teams down a notch, not serve as a hard counter, hence not going with something like 'removes all shields'.

Somehow you took "teams stacking shields heavily" and "shield heavy team" to mean the single shield Morde can place on himself and one other teammate would be drastically effected, and replied with... well...

So, in other words:

"Fuck Mordekaiser"?

It would make sense if you were a Karma main, since Karma shields her whole team and that shield could stack with Locket shields and Targon shields and whatever else. But Morde isn't exactly the Pinnacle of shield Champions. People playing against Morde don't think "well, I just can't kill the ADC now because of Morde's shield, guess I'll give up".

You made a mountain out of an ant hill, and Meddler kinda called you out on it.

After we know how what such an item would trigger off of you can point out how it would devastate Morde and you'll have an audience as usual. You could have even issued caution about some non-abusive shields and you would have gotten a better response. But you jumped to the worst case scenario with literally no reason to, and that's why you got a bit of community backlash.

Elsewise3 votes

Can we get a source (link) to Meddler's post, for full context?

LongHair Fox3 votes

I do think it is worth mentioning that he also said that if morde or another champion begins under performing after the change they will then be buffed. Now the balance team is likely not going to do so immediately due to pre season changes, but for all we know morde might become really overpowered with the pre season changes.

ZephyrDrake2 votes

ok... what is the point of this thread? it's not going to change the way Riot does things because Morde is still one champion out of a 130+ champions? if the anti-shielding items hit him too hard then they'll buff him accordingly or adjust the items accordingly

Rebonack2 votes

Still think Riot should just make it so shields overlap rather than stacking.

That would be a huge nerf to shield spam without hurting champs like Morde in any appreciable way.

Ahris2 votes

Riot doesn't ever care about champs though. Riot ruined Ahri completely. They make her only viable in low elo and horrible trash in highelo.

PhDs Nuts1 votes

Well, there should definitely be at least 138 steps in the design approach, and one of them should be Morde, so that's a pretty shitty response.

Ben Sharpio1 votes

your TLDR sucks...

and dumbass riot games doesnt even buff sion's damage this champion isnt even a tank anymore if you want to be a tank get some %dmg reduction so that he can actually do shit instead of being permakited and slowed/knocked up fucking maokai rammus, gragas ect are just braindead C C monsters and outperform you by doing nothing

Ahristocats1 votes

love how he makes it sound like the item is going to be ok for everyone else, not screw the meta or bring massive balance problem, while being a problem for morde

Meddler as its finest, powercreeping is bad lul

JustMonika134 votes

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love how he makes it sound like the item is going to be ok for everyone else, not screw the meta or bring massive balance problem, while being a problem for morde

Meddler as its finest, powercreeping is bad lul

Are you still hurt over Meddler burning you in one of your threads some weeks ago?

Ahristocats1 votes

oh yisss, i'm so hurt pls stop :(

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