Im tired of building full armor and still getting melted by bc's and lw's

Śovereign·4/10/2017, 10:59:27 PM·17 votes·1,320 views

item 3035 - This is understandable for an ADC to buy infact I never see anyone other than marksman and melee adcs building this.

item 3071 - However this ... is clearly intended to be for bruisers as it gives them a shit ton of hp, cdr (because bruisers mostly rely on abilities), minor attack damage, and a passive that helps them with being kited. So Riot, why the f*ck are adc's Graves Lucian still being allowed to abuse the hell out of it?

Here's a simple solution, make BC a melee item only. Seriously, adcs have item 3046 which helps them more than enough with kiting and staying alive, after all when is the last time a bruiser like Renekton or Illaoi built this item? There is no reason adcs should be allowed to build black cleaver, no matter what you do to make it less tempting for them the stats it gives as well as the armor shred make building it always beneficial. Seriously, assassins (Zed Talon ) and marksman (Ashe Lucian Graves) all abuse the hell out of it cause its that good even though it was intended for fighters.

36 Comments

Hethalean4/10/2017, 11:09:20 PM5 votes

Does Lucian still build LW if he has BC?

Penns4/10/2017, 11:06:30 PM4 votes

Well Im tired of

######playing against Lucian LeeSin Gragas Renekton xd

ZT Xperimentor4/11/2017, 2:42:11 PM4 votes

Yet marksmen still complain tanks are too strong. [zombie-brand-mindblown]

Meep Man4/11/2017, 2:48:49 PM3 votes

It's a BC and LW job to melt people who build full armor. Otherwise, there would be no reason to purchase them. I think you are complaining more about the design of % armor pen in general.

Also, if two ADCs are going to be OK in my mind using BC, it's Graves and Lucian since they have shorter ranges and several multi-hit mechanics.

Big Lincoln4/11/2017, 2:54:05 PM3 votes

BC just needs to be pen and not shred so that the Darius who's hitting you isn't amplifying his Caitlyns damage

DuskDaUmbreon4/10/2017, 11:50:17 PM2 votes

No marksman I have seen (besides Kindred, who DESPERATELY need the health) builds BC. If they do, they never buy a LW item as well. Because that's wasteful. You might as well get someone both LW items, or item 3033 and item 3165. Or multiple boots. Unless the enemy team is entirely made of tanks, nobody buys both. And you have a billion and ten options against it!. You can build any of a number of health regen items, health items, item 3047, item 3075, etc..

{EDIT} Graves may buy it, too. But I don't really count him as a marksman, since he's so short-ranged and tanky.

vOmvbrawfU4/11/2017, 1:07:36 AM2 votes

The simple answer is that because if ADCs couldn't kill tanks late game, there would be literally no purpose to pick them. If damage didn't outscale defense, games wouldn't end lol. This problem is even more escalated because of tanks doing so much damage.

Kaioko4/11/2017, 4:47:55 PM1 votes

Patience is a virtue. Both of those items are getting nerfed. Also making BC only would not solve the issue, you'd still have assassins running around shredding your armor away.

Leaf on Bush4/11/2017, 2:39:34 PM1 votes

item 3071 is not as desireable on ADC's because in a somewhat coordinated team you very often have the jungler or top laner using this already, so there is no point in sacrificing dps to shred enemies yourself.

Other than that, we don't need to discuss this. Threads like these should just get deleted along with the "tanks are too tanky with too much damage" threads. It's really getting old, reading 2 of each every single day. At least stop recreating this shit, it's not like you bring new arguments.

KoggyStyle4/11/2017, 4:06:40 PM1 votes

had a luc build bruiser and still topped the dmg charts, oh man .....

Mizaya4/10/2017, 11:03:22 PM1 votes

Lol it's currently nerfed in PBE, 4% instead of 5 per stack