Kled's R makes him feel more like a leader than Sejuani's whole kit combined

Śovereign·4/22/2017, 9:35:43 PM·132 votes·4,033 views

Why is this? Wasn't the point of this rework to actually make her feel more like a war leader?

53 Comments

Jbels4/22/2017, 9:45:22 PM48 votes

Kled isn't a leader. Kled dives into combat whether or not people follow him. The fact that people dive in with him is completely incidental

ModAcademy Kayn4/23/2017, 2:00:49 AM15 votes

Not really... the entire Lore of Kled is that people see him as an inspiration to follow behind, but in reality he's really just a crazy war-hungry Yordle. If anything, he's stolen Aatrox's shit much more than anything, just read the lore.

macromite4/23/2017, 1:12:51 AM12 votes

because what riot meant was, "We want sej to have her ult be more similar to the other two freljord leaders, and that gives her power budget, to make things less obvious than just chaning the ult we also changed a lot of other things about her kit without caring about sej's already existing fanbase or her defined playstyle. We made sure to give her absurd damage and a crazy passive too, that usually shuts up the people that call us on being bad at game design, or atleast coaxes the community to ignore them or verbally assault them and their character."

Solitair4/23/2017, 5:18:53 AM8 votes

Let's talk about the voice effects on her reworked flail. I make more convincing war cries as a young girl stifling a sneeze during class.

Shadòw4/23/2017, 4:58:15 PM6 votes

I honestly don't understand why everybody is talking about Sejuani not being played like a leader anymore?

Because nearby Meele champs can apply the E Passive without her needing to apply a stack first? Well it's still not a good idea to let a Talon for example hop in first to gain stacks.

The "Allied Autos can gain stacks too mechanic" is supposed to help her gain stacks during the fight, but she still is supposed to do the engage herself.

Her passive slow immunity and huge Armor and MR boost is just as great to engage as her Ult(while power got cut off her Ult it's still a 1 target stun and a huge AoE slow field with big Range).

Once actually engaging other Champions will follow her into the fight and gain stacks for her that she can use with her E.

But when you think that she can get away by just sitting back and waiting for her Allies to gain her E stacks, trust me, that won't work. Most other Meele champs are either squishy (Assassins) ,not mobile enough to start a fight themself (Juggernauts) and/or simply have too low Attack Speed to gain stacks quickly on top of probably being cc'ed anyway.

So her playstyle won't change.

She will still usually engage with her Ult and follow with her Q while her passive, that is great for engaging into the whole enemy team, can absorb a lot of Damage and Slows. After having engaged her team is supposed to follow her and gain stacks for her which she can use her E on.

that totally hits the Leader thematic. only with a team to follow her she can get the full use out of her E.

TL;DR

The "sit back and wait for your team to gain stacks" playstlyle sounds OP in theory, but won't work in practice. She will still have her Leader playstyle.

Salron4/23/2017, 1:15:23 AM5 votes

When you really think about it Does anyone seem like more of a captain than Kled solely based on kit design in league

Is it even possible to design something that is more leaderlike than Kled's ult

Sraeg20134/23/2017, 1:50:48 AM5 votes

Wasn't the point of this rework to actually make her feel more like a war leader?

And when was the last time "What we want" and "What actually happened" were the same thing when Rito reworked a champion?

Hexs Fortune4/22/2017, 10:06:15 PM2 votes

Well, get hung up on the definition of leadership however you like, but sej is most certainly strongest in a pack of melee

Sexy Jack Rabbit4/23/2017, 2:55:29 PM2 votes

Honestly the Sejuani rework is a fucking tire fire. Kit looks horrible, nothing like a war leader. They destroyed her old fanbase. Her skins look like FUCKING garbage as well.

SSG Elmo4/23/2017, 12:36:43 AM2 votes

I had a concept for Sejuanis reworked ult where her boar would go on a frenzy and charge forward giving sejunai extra movement speed + resistances to nearby allies while charging up her bola (kind of like poppy ult) and she would then throw her bola at a location where it would slow and stun the enemies hit by it idk if this is a good design but I thought it would be kinda cool

Baron Barian5/11/2017, 3:06:33 PM1 votes

What inspires people to follow someone is based on preference. Would you rather have someone who can speak loud and clear, someone who truly is prepared for anything, or maybe someone who's willing to put their life on the line? It all depends on what a person truly desires to become themselves, hoping they can be half as great as the one they've chosen as their leader?

So chances are, the problem is that we admire batsh*t crazy people who go wholehog, swinging an axe at anything that moves too much. But you got to admire what works I guess.

Misticaltom4/23/2017, 7:05:29 AM1 votes

YOU DON'T NEED A TEAM TO HAVE A TEAM FIGHT.

Jerry SeinfeId4/23/2017, 1:25:47 PM1 votes

i actually think she looks pretty cool. out of all three she was the only one who i got excited over. she imo looks like a warrior that just shreds through whole tribes on her own.

idk about being a leader tho. Like how would that work in league, she'd need like a sion/kled/WW ability but we all know that if riot had changed her R to something like that people would be crying about how she's just not sejuani anymore.

You can't get both a shit ton of cc AND a 500km charge that speeds up your allies and gives them 500ad that scales with ap and applies onhit effects 3 times while also freezing any enemy in her path. exagerated but i mean she'd feel like a leader.

Spartan117104/23/2017, 1:49:03 PM1 votes

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Chaos Milk Tea4/23/2017, 7:06:36 PM1 votes

Yeah, maybe it WOULD make more sense for Sejuani to have that ult.

Too bad it was taken by another champion named Kled [slayer-jinx-unamused]

Muzét4/22/2017, 9:41:01 PM1 votes

I was hoping to see something like Kled. Like she would lead her team but when I thought about it it would have been to similair to Kled or Nami. So the last thing I ghout was an old W + old taric's ult combined.