Game is 100% decided by junglers

buPPDrmXEO··3 votes·707 views

This is the worst state this game has ever been, I've been playing since S1 and I have to tell you ...

Never was this game this bad.

Keystones being so broken means that the 1st item you buy isn't that detrimental in a fight = the only disadvantage junglers had over laners is now half gone.

Now, with the addition of plants and ridiculous smite heals junglers are at full HP all the time while ganking AND farming.

Red smite is so insanely busted item that I CANNOT believe it wasn't nerfed yet.

I left top lane completely, you are 100% jungle dependant to do ANYTHING, simply because their jungler is clearing faster than ever and if they notice you are playing aggressive ... Well ... You're in for a bad time.

Junglers have access to the entire map, they have to be weaker than the laners NOT stronger. Red smite makes it so that any jungler can 1v1 any laner in the game at any point of time - it's actually pathetic.

Introduction of "Smites on champs" was the worst thing ever. It made junglers require so much less skill, broke the weaknesses of certain junglers and made their strengths even more oppressive.

I mean just go ahead and watch a few streams you will see lee Q + auto + Q + thunderlord proc + blue smite doing 80% of laner's hp in like 2 seconds it's INSANE.

Junglers are the true kings of early game and then they become massive duelists in the mid game , how ridiculous is that? Late they fall off I guess , but a good jungler ends the game before 25 mins.

I rarely come to these forums to complain but this red smite thing has gone on for too long, you can't justify it, you can't outplay it and the amount of gold value it holds is absolutely RIDICULOUS.

Yes I am playing jungle now whenever I can simply so I don't have to deal with jungler bullshit unkillable with 1 dmg item.

Before when playing I had a plan to harass the enemy to 20% hp or lower so that I can never get ganked, but that plan doesn't work at all anymore since junglers are capable of 100>0 you in 3 secs and they can even gank you while being higher level than you (first couple of ganks in the early game).

I mean, I was playing the other day and lee came with double buffs at 2:50 or something I was lv2 him being lv3 , what could I do? How could I expect that shit anyway ?

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Variks the Loyal1 votes

How could I expect that shit anyway ?

Place a ward in the river at 2 minutes.

If you know how the jungle works, you know how long it takes a champion to clear, and so you can ward before they come. When you see them come, just back off. If the jungler wastes time on you, that's great; you might get behind, but it means your jungler is free to farm while the other is just sitting, waiting for you to overextend. It gives your jungler control over the map.

EndlessSorcerer1 votes

Honestly, I don't feel like I control the game when jungling.

Personally, it feels like the game depends almost entirely on the performance of bottom lane. The team with the winning bottom lane will likely receive several benefits early in the game:

  • 2+ kills
  • (First Blood) Tower
  • Dragon(s)

Once the bottom tower is killed (which can easily occur after the opposing bottom laners die once), the winning bottom lane will have a large gold advantage over their opponents and be capable of roaming to other lanes to push down more towers. They pretty much control the game at that point unless the other lanes have fed horribly.

I've been queuing for support recently to avoid having autofilled supports and to prevent the lane from feeding horribly.

I mean, I was playing the other day and lee came with double buffs at 2:50 or something I was lv2 him being lv3 , what could I do? How could I expect that shit anyway ?

That's standard. Lee Sin's general clear path is (Bottom Side) Buff, Wolves (Top Side) Buff), which is generally finished between 2:45 and 3:00. After that, he will generally look to either invade or gank top/mid lane.

buPPDrmXEO1 votes

I feel 100% in control when jungling.

The whole map is your playground. You clear camps so insanely fast I mean you can literally clear wraiths in a second - it's unbelivable.

You have access to buffs that are incredibly strong early game and allow you to do just about anything, you have vision control with scuttles + a huge amount of gold for doing them.

Your red buff burns towers, you can even just show up in lane after your ally got a kill and burn the tower down with him.

I go back as a top laner and jungler shows up they just 100>0 my tower by the time I get back in a single minion wave it's insane how useless laners are.

The pressure jungler has, the potential etc etc it's unparalleled. Before junglers had drawbacks now they have literally ZERO drawbacks as even warwick can gank pre 6 as long as he has blue smite (not that it's ideal on him , but I'm just saying!)

Yeah I know it's standard. But nidalee spear 1 shotting your adc used to be a standard too - didn't mean it's okay.

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