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I think it's time we actually nerf Riven.

Noraver··6 votes·2,208 views

62% win rate in Diamond. 56% win rate in Platinum. 50-56% win rate in Gold, varying.

As someone who's been playing since Season 1, I honestly do not understand how she is considered a balanced champion in Riot's eyes. Her cooldowns are so stupidly low for the amount of damage she does, and if you play a champion that relies on an animation longer than .5 seconds, then good luck to you, because she's going to cancel the shit out of it multiple times with her stuns and knockback, PLUS get out of it with no damage taken. Think you're getting that CS? lel, nope. She's cancelling your auto. Think you can kill her within three seconds of burst she does without being animation-canceled? Think again, because Courage of the Colossus makes her unkillable. She takes zero damage from trades now with it. Think you're going to be able to tower dive her when she's at 200 HP? Nope, because she's going to hold you in place until your children finish college and blow you up. What's that you say? Your team will get her? Wrong again, friendo. Riven's mobility is on a virtually zero second cooldown. She's already on the other side of Runeterra by the time you close that gap.

Champions have been nerfed for less. Champions have been nerfed for having a 54% win rate. But Riven? Hell no. She's so fast and mobile that she's avoided Riot's balance nerfs for years.

Seriously though, can we reduce the damage she deals? Every year she gets stronger and stronger as power/mobility creep rises, and she's seemingly immune to nerfs. Riot even buffed her this year.

8 Comments

Astôlfo3 votes

Yeah no, you're drunk.

Slythion2 votes

where on earth are you getting those statistics...

Noraver2 votes

As someone who plays against good Riven players, in Diamond. The statistics themselves are on any League site, lolking is one example.

Slythion2 votes

Ya I don't think lolking can be trusted 100% because I checked two other sites and both of them differed significantly:

op.gg: diamond - 54.04% platinum - 52.46% gold - 49.88%

bestbans: diamond - 51.84% platinum - 51.76% gold - 49.50%

pretty average, if not just a little on the strong side

Funkin Dunkin2 votes

Riven is one of the easiest champs to beat in and our of lane. But she tends to counter many popular top champs which is why people complain about her so much. But she is actually the easiest to steam roll over once you get a head against. Skarner, Naut, Alistar, Gnar, any champ with good CC/Shield/Movement or a combination of the 3 will always beat her. Even kled can outpoke her. But like I said, she counters many popular tops. That's the only reason why you see her win.

Asayake 5150glow1 votes

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Riven is one of the easiest champs to beat in and our of lane. But she tends to counter many popular top champs which is why people complain about her so much. But she is actually the easiest to steam roll over once you get a head against. Skarner, Naut, Alistar, Gnar, any champ with good CC/Shield/Movement or a combination of the 3 will always beat her. Even kled can outpoke her. But like I said, she counters many popular tops. That's the only reason why you see her win.

Nah, Kled beats her in a prolonged fight.

Or he did, anyway. Not sure with how the new Fervor/CotC affects things.

Alistar is shitty though.

And Gnar is doable, I just gotta remember not to dive him after level 6 when he's about to go mega.

Asayake 5150glow2 votes

Q has a 13 second cooldown rank 1. Q has a 13 second cooldown rank 5. Q has a 40 to 60% AD scaling.

Not exactly the definition of a low cooldown nuke. Let me show you a low cooldown nuke.

Rengar Q has a 4 second cooldown at rank 1. Q has a 4 second cooldown at rank 5. Q has a potential and likely 140% bonus AD scaling.

Riven W has an 11 second CD at rank 1. W has a 7 second cooldown at rank 5. W has a 100% bonus AD scaling.

Again, not great scalings and a decently high cooldown. But lets compare it to Lee Sin's E.

At first, it looks like Lee's E has a high cooldown, until you realize that Riven's W won't be skilled past 2 points until lvl 10. So they basically have the same cooldown, with Riven's being higher in the early levels. They have the same scaling, with Lee having higher base damage. Lee's is magic damage which can be good or bad - it doesn't benefit from any armor pen he gets, but it also makes building armor less effective. Lee's reveals stealth and has a possible 4 second slow attached to it, better for sticking to a target and chasing. Riven's stuns, better for trading and bursting. However, it's only a .75 second stun, meaning she won't be bashing away at you while you stand there stunned. Also, you act like she has multiple stuns. Which she doesn't.

Riven E doesn't do damage. It has a 10/9/8/7/6 cooldown, so it's fairly significant in the early levels, especially because in most melee match ups Riven will max it last. It's nice for migitating damage, however.

Riven's ult does has some fairly big numbers, although it is an execute so you'll never find anyone complaining about being 100-0'd by it (50-0'd probably, though).

But then we see Lee Sin's ult, which does the same damage as Riven's ult if you're at 41.75% health. Not only that, it also CC's you, lets him hit the rest of his combo with ease, and does extra damage to anyone else he hits. Riven's ult is also a big AoE, but it's unlikely that they'll all be low health (unless they clumped like idiots), so the damage on everyone else will likely be tickle damage.

Riven ult is more effective for an all in, though it has to be popped early and signal to you that's she's going in for the extra AD to be effective. Also, the cooldown is longer than a Lee ult with 130 at rank 1, 95 at rank 2, but down to 60 at rank 3, compared to Lee's 90/75/60.

So much for her abilities doing so much damage with so low cooldowns.

Anyway, her problems have been helped a bit by CotC helping with a lot of the more difficult match ups.

Also, she has no engages in teamfights outside of a wall hop or flash. And engages are pretty essential to Riven, who will be cc'd and killed before touching anyone if she tries to run/q at you.

Bradley Dragon1 votes

rivens q does low dmg yes. but it is not her q DAMAGE it is the fact that each use of it makes her move about half a flash distance. does aoe for armor shred on BC. and procs her passive which makes her autos deal insane dmg. and animation canceling with her q gives her a 2.5+ attack speed . because i have been 1 shot comboed by a riven, 3q w and ult. in less then a full second. tho i report any animation canceling riven for cheating because it honestly is cheating.

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