Why the fuck did we nerf Poppy's damage capabilities into the ground with no compensation when Riot's spotlight page for Poppy even said she's a tank that prefers buying an AD item or so before going full tank for the mid/late game? HELLO? UNFAIR TREATMENT.
Ralanr2 votesGalio’s trying to be put into his more niche anti AP tank. Poppy fulfills her disengage tank niche fine, plus unlike Galio her damage state (AD) actually increases with level and effects her auto attacks much more than Galio.
chipndip11 votesPoppy's cc is all highly conditional. Why be Poppy when you can be Shen...or Galio?
Galio was meant to be a mid/top pivot pick that builds a mix between ap and tank stats. Riot works relentlessly to make this happen.
Poppy was meant to be a top/jg pivot pick that builds a smidgen of AD before going full tank. "Nerf her E range. Nerf her Q damage. Nerf her R damage twice over. Nerf he-" and there's nothing done to counter-balance all that nerfing.
So when Galio doesn't need someone to dash into him, or a wall, to use all his cc, where anyone can combo off of it unlike Poppy's R, where's the "plus side" to dealing with all of Poppy's conditional cc when you can use someone simpler? It's blatant hypocrisy.
Ravenhale1 votesI just wish my Ult wasn't the easiest thing to interrupt/cancel. I don't mind taking damage during the channel, but losing a zoning Ult to every form of CC kind of defeats the purpose of even having it. It's already a heavily telegraphed skill, does minimal damage, has a small AoE hitbox that stops on collision of first enemy champion. In its current state, it pretty much functions as a Janna Q on a much longer cooldown (since a quick windup is all you might manage assuming you don't eat CC even in that).
Variks the Loyal1 votesIt's because Galio is meant to mainly counter Mages. Against an AD mid, for example, Galio should actually lose pretty hard, like he did pre-rework.
chipndip11 votes...not even what I'm talking about?
Variks the Loyal1 votesI'm sorry, I wasn't very clear.
Galio, pre-rework, got extra Ability Power by building Magic Resistance; this made him a hard-counter to Mages, especially burst mages like Leblanc, because he would get really Tanky and deal a lot of damage to them in return.
Riot is trying to return him to that/a similar state. Galio's damage reduction on his W scales with AP, as well as his Magic Damage shield I believe. By nudging him to build a little AP, which can be a little as a Rod of Ages or a Hextech GLP, they're trying to push him into a similar, anti-AP niche that he was in before.
Poppy, meanwhile, doesn't have that same niche. She isn't rewarded defensively for building offensive. Buying AD, for example, doesn't give her more Armor.
So while, yes, Galio will have the bonus of dealing damage in addition to being Tanky, he will have the main drawback that he won't be very durable VS a High AD enemy team. He'd be great when the enemy is Maokai top, Leblanc mid, and Kog'Maw ADC, but not so great when the enemy is Darius top, Zed mid, and Caitlyn ADC.
Meanwhile, while Poppy won't deal as much damage, she will be significantly more durable in a general scenario.
chipndip11 votesI get what you're saying. However, you aren't getting what I'M saying.
Poppy's redesign was SUPPOSED to be "a lil fighter, but mostly tank". It was supposed to pay homage to her pre-rework design that was primarily a fighter before anything else. However, Riot shaved the hell out of her damage reward as well as her ability to deal damage in about every way possible. Some of it was, honestly, justified, but they eventually went overboard.
Since Poppy's cc is pretty dang conditional in comparison to other tanks, you'd THINK they'd have tried to compensate her for dealing with it. E is half-way negligible without a wall, R can't be followed up on by allies and can screw up combos, W has no cc without the enemy being displaced into it or dashing into it, and Q is delayed for the second hit. They're doing this for GALIO, but not Poppy. I'm calling that out.
Ravenhale1 votesEh, I dunno. I've found Tri Force/BotRK Poppy to be amusing. It's not like I ever win top lane with Poppy anyways, so anything that improves my waveclear is good. Sure, I know Sunfire Cape exists, but I'm not going to get it early enough for it to feel like it matters.
I've had far more success with her in the Support and Jungle roles where my horrid waveclear isn't put to the test.