Ap Fizz compensation too low

Pommel Knight··5 votes·694 views

Fizz has 49% winrate top, 50% winrate mid. While having less than 5 playrate in both roles. https://eune.op.gg/champion/fizz/statistics/mid

Before people start downwoting. PBE changes are a nerf, ap fizz get's the dmg back at 375ap that's late game, he has 15 ap in quints, 9x3.06ap in glyphs, if he doesn't go mr, 27.54 ap lvl 18, 80 item 3100, 60ap item 3152, 70ap item 3157, 80 ap item 3135. 5 items wont break even with the nerf 332.54 ap with al of this at lvl 18 and he needs 375 ap to brake even. With rabadons Fizz will have 611 ap and he will get a total of 47 more dmg with full build while being a lot weaker early and mid game.

Now if we get rabadons early and go normal Fizz build, item 3100, item 3145, item 3020, item 3089 he will get back his damage but will lose out on cdr from item 3157 and item 3152, leaving him really weak with cdrs. Not to mention this all will cost 9150 gold just for these items, not counting 850g from item 2033 and item 1082 .

So I suggest making his empowered w scaling 1.3 so he gets the dmg back with 250 ap instead of 375ap. He will get 108 dmg with full build late game, not that noticeable considering everyone would have full build then,

22 Comments

ChargeItDownMid3 votes

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Joxcab3 votes

Losing damage on W until 375 AP is a massive and unintended nerf.

ChargeItDownMid6 votes

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Joxcab1 votes

Banrate doesn't matter. No one cares about that.

ChargeItDownMid2 votes

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Joxcab2 votes

If a champion is balanced but nerfed solely because of being annoying, then they require compensation buffs lmao

ChargeItDownMid2 votes

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Joxcab2 votes

Never said we were?

ChargeItDownMid2 votes

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Joxcab2 votes

Except he does? Tank Fizz is the only broken thing. Which got nerfs on PBE for that reason.

ChargeItDownMid2 votes

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Joxcab2 votes

Except stronger than average doesn't mean broken. And there's always champions stronger in some fields than others, and weaker in other areas. That's not unique to just Fizz.

AP Fizz is perfectly balanced. So why would he need nerfs?

If you're nerfing just off being stronger than average, then you would have to nerf half or more of the entire roster of over 130 something champions.

FooDang2 votes

He will not be as strong. That's the point of a nerf.

Joxcab4 votes

It's not supposed to be a nerf to AP Fizz you ignorant duck.

FooDang4 votes

RIOT knows what they Nerfed. It was intentional, obviously lol

Joxcab3 votes

Um no, that's why they tried to give AP Fizz compensation to make up for it. AP Fizz is perfectly balanced and Riot themselves said they were only addressing Tank Fizz.

Get that through your thick skull, will ya?

FooDang3 votes

You have a source you can link for RIOT comments on Fizz?

Riot knows this will nerf AP Fizz as well, do you not understand that? Intentional...

Thresh Outta Fux2 votes

Nope. Fizz is a champion that doesn't deserve anything due to his long reign at the top.

I'd be glad if they never buffed him again. He's like the AP version of Yasuo, literal cancer.

Needs to be gutted to Urgot levels.

Joxcab3 votes

Hint, you think that because you're bad and don't know how to deal with him. For a long reign at the top he supposedly as according to you, no statistics support that.

Dianna Leveret1 votes

Because dying to a fizz, when you have 70 MR early game, where he just pressed R and did 600 or 578, to be precise, damage to you... I understand tank fizz is a problem, but he never 1 shotted you. His 'compensations' with increasing AP ratios just made him extremely toxic and strong with few counterplay. Also why does his R proc W , whats the reasoning behind that mechanic ? Or was it an in game bug ?

Joxcab2 votes

His AP ratio increase "compensation" barely did anything. Fizz is an early/mid game assassin. The nerfs to Tank Fizz by nerfing base damages also severely nerfed his damage as AP Fizz. He doesn't get it back to go even from before until 375 AP. As someone who builds a ton of utility AP like Zhonya's, Protobelt, Void Staff, etc with low AP counts (as opposed to stuff like Morello's with 100), 375 is extremely hard to obtain any time early or mid.

He isn't toxic nor does he have little counterplay. His entire kit is by definition easily counterplayable.

The reason it procs W is because it'd be garbage if it didn't.

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