How can you support such a post in the Boards

Elohaven·Jul 21, 2018·9 votes·1,868 views

"MR and Armor difference is [EDITED BY MODERATION]."

Literally - AP champions have many AoE abilities and Rabadons. They also have some pretty high scaling.

Most AD champions are single target and despite the amount of AD items, AD champs individually are restricted to a select few. It's crazy how bad this is because you're saying it's better for AoE to destroy as much as single-target. That shouldn't work.

I'm don't want to challenge the player but the content.

It's actually a benefit AP champs can use almost all AP items in every game while AD champions have items so niché due to their kits.

The fact this post got 70+ upvotes just shows how bad judgement is. You're literally just going to cause a meta fixated purely on AP champions.

12 Comments

redniwediSJul 21, 20186 votes

Upvotes and downvotes to not necessarily show agreement and disagreement. Good threads, good conversation starters, and the like can get upvotes just as easily as someone stating the obvious. Likewise poorly constructive threads and circle jerks and just as easily get downvotes.

Don't assume every upvote was from someone who agrees with the OP, particularly if there was good discussion in the comments below. Some people just want a good conversation piece to get viewed.

Madsin25Jul 21, 20184 votes

Are we going to have one of these posts every single time someone doesn't agree with a top voted comment?

Atleast the post about armor and MR is relevant to this forum. You are spamming.

Holy ActivistJul 21, 20183 votes

Yeah I know right people are idiots

saltranJul 21, 20183 votes

Or we can remove the Gameplay Boards

AirKingNeoJul 21, 20182 votes

I quote myself:

day 23 of why I should become the constitutionally facist leader of the gameplay boards Consitutional, meaning I'm only allowed to kill your post under specific guidelines. and despite only half joking, you can't deny that it wouldn't be an improvement

Bob the ToastrJul 21, 20182 votes

despite the amount of AD items, AD champs individually are restricted to a select few

Yeah because they have a lot more specialty items.

What if you want sustain as a mage? Gunblade forces you to put ad in your build path. ROA gives just a tiny bit of health regen.

What if you want ward clearage as an AP assassin? No Duskblade equivalent

What if you want a shield to protect you from burst? No hexdrinker/maw equivalent (don't try the zhonya's argument, then you're just a sitting duck when you get out of it unless they dove you)

What if you want %MR shred? You only get void, but ad champs get mortal or dominik's and black cleaver.

What if you want some tank killing power as a battle mage (a la true damage)? AD champs get IE and conquerer but you get ???

AirKingNeoJul 21, 20182 votes

You're implying assassins buy Duskblade for ward killing.

ElohavenJul 21, 20181 votes

What if you want sustain as a mage? Gunblade forces you to put ad in your build path. ROA gives just a tiny bit of health regen.

Sustain on AP abilities will far exceed that of AD champions. That's why you won't get sustain.

What if you want ward clearage as an AP assassin? No Duskblade equivalent

That's a fair statement but we all know duskblade is a toxic item.

What if you want a shield to protect you from burst? No hexdrinker/maw equivalent (don't try the zhonya's argument, then you're just a sitting duck when you get out of it unless they dove you)

No. The whole reason Hexdrinker exists is because assassins and other champions can hardly hop on top of other mages. Imagine Xerath just sniping at you away with Zhonyas up for your ultimate. His safety, poke, and damage output put you at a huge disadvantage. Thus, hexdrinker exists for you to hop on top of mages and survive the lane.

You really don't understand why assassins need it (they shouldn't be gutted) and AD champions have a huge disadvantage against AP.

What if you want %MR shred? You only get void, but ad champs get mortal or dominik's and black cleaver.

Most AD champions only get either/or mortal/dom/black cleaver. They're very niché and have less penetration than Void Staff. You guys have 40% magic penetration on your item. At max, AD champions have 35% and Black Cleaver requires a build-up to shred.

I completely disagree. That's just feeling entitled.

What if you want some tank killing power as a battle mage (a la true damage)? AD champs get IE and conquerer but you get ???

A majority agree Conqueror is a toxic rune.

Mages doing true damage wouldn't be fair either - specifically because getting 15% of 1000 AP or 800 AP with the scaling of your abilities converted to true damage will be the most broken shit. You also have to itemize against AP and AD while also worrying about Liandries shredding you as a tank.

Bob the ToastrJul 21, 20181 votes

Sustain on AP abilities will far exceed that of AD champions. That's why you won't get sustain.

Allow me to list the typical midlane AP champs that have sustain in their kit: Ahri Akali Cassiopeia Morgana Vladimir Swain

Now allow me to list those that don't: Anivia Annie AurelionSol Azir Corki Diana Ekko Fizz Galio Heimerdinger Karthus Kassadin Katarina Kennen Leblanc Lissandra Lux Malzahar Orianna Rumble Syndra Taliyah TwistedFate Veigar Velkoz Viktor Xerath Ziggs Zilean Zoe Zyra

Tell me again how sustain on AP abilities exceeds that of AD champs?

Kurt HyzanJul 21, 20181 votes

Hey I'm the guy who made that thread. You know the reason why WoA got removed ? Because as I stated, Vladimir "abused it". Look, is broken because of WoA atm ? No, not at all.

Look, do you believe it's ok for a Graves Draven to regen up to 400hp per AA while having 30% damage reduction with item 3072 item 3812 ? No, it's not. There aren't any mage with sustain in their kit aside of Vladimir (and Swain who got his ult turned into "REEEEEEEE MORE DAMAGE NO SUSTAIN BOOM EXPLOSION 1K AOE DAMAGE).

You're talking about item 3151 countering tanks. Rito released a damn item countering another item item 3194 , with health regen from any other source, 's damage are negated.

You do also know that AP champions have rotations in their kit with cooldowns and skillshots ? AD casters can rely on their AA, marksmen are AA based.

Now try this : get a item 3191 and tell me if you feel a difference fighting any AD champion, because even if their rotation doesn't deal a good amount of damage, they'll still rely on their AA's. Now get item 3155 + nullifying orb, and look for the huge ass shield denying a burst supposed to finish you. It doesn't need to be triggered it's just "there". Then take a look at item 3156 . As Syndra extremely fed, I didn't "one shot" a Draven because of the shield, leaving him with around 300hp (full combo huh ?) he had item 3072 item 3087 item 3031 and did regen for about 700hp with one single crit and he managed to finish me because he kept "regen" my Q damage. Do you consider it ok ? Have you ever seen a single mage doing this ?

Take a look at Diana , she's classified as a diver. She's played as an all-in assassin because there aren't any tools providing sustain to AP champions. She goes in, she doesn't kill what she needs because she doesn't have enough damage for building a bit tanky, she gets deleted. Isn't it better to simply go in, delete a carry and then die because it doesn't matter, you just killed ? Now look at item 3812 item 3053 item 3156 all of them provide diver stats. Is there an equivalent to AP champions ? No

ElohavenJul 21, 20181 votes

Most AP champions have some form of hard CC which you don't recognize.

Also, Syndra landing all her abilities on an opponent with a 6 orb ultimate does pop a squishy. You forget her ultimate is point-and-click - bad design. It's counter is the requirement of a full combo, not getting in range, or being at high HP before it hits because it can easily take away 70% of squishies health by itself.

Sustain for mages is null because not only will you have abuse cases like Swain, Vladimir, Akali, etc. but they'll be healing for a significant chunk of their damage simply due to their high scaling.

Reason maw exists because it's harder to reach AP champions as they're a majority ranged, have health in most of their items, Archangels, and much more CC than their AD counterparts.

Also, AD champions DON'T JUST RELY ON AAs. ADCs SHOULD SHRED YOU.

Zhonyas is meant to counter burst and is on a lower CD than GA for a reason for AP champions.

AirKingNeoJul 21, 20182 votes

I literally asked the thread for evidence and then I got 2 replies insulting me.

Yes, they were upvoted. People actually upvoted insults.