One item I hope finally gets attention with the tank class rework is

Irelia Bot··45 votes·2,705 views

item 1054

Something like

400 gold cost 2%+3flat damage reduction from all autos and abilities (doubled against ranged auto attacks.) 80 Heath +50% increased health regen.

Now it actually has some scaling factors like item 1055 and it even stacks like other doran items

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RexSaur8 votes

That would be insanely broken.

Tanks are not supposed to be strong in lane.

Irelia Bot44 votes

And Marksmen are not suppose to be useful until full build

RexSaur3 votes

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And Marksmen are not suppose to be useful until full build

They arent already?

Lethality adcs dont even count, they are basically ad casters.

Irelia Bot28 votes

Marksmen are using it so it does count

RexSaur4 votes

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Marksmen are using it so it does count

Jhin/Varus/MF != whole adc champ pool

Irelia Bot15 votes

all I am seeing, but that is more a result of the game having been made more about early game.

We both seem to agree to at least some degree that the games are decided too early.

Veltox4 votes

Nowadays everyone uses a bit of lethality in their builds so yeah you can count whole adc pool.

Ralanr5 votes

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They arent already?

Lethality adcs dont even count, they are basically ad casters.

What? Casters ADCs have always been a thing even when using crit.

AirKingNeo2 votes

And Critical strike shouldn't be a stat.

Ackelope1 votes

so what, the last 10 minutes of the game, maybe? i'm sorry but i'd rather be balanced around the mid-late game than having your phrase be true.

Gosh Darn1 votes

How is it insanely broken? It's barely different from it's current state besides offering a tiny bit more scaling. Doran's ring is almost 200% gold efficient and still has a strong mana return passive.

Irelia Bot1 votes

What is wrong with making it comparable to other Doran items?

Gosh Darn1 votes

I think you're replying to the wrong post, I'm not arguing against a change I was replying to someone who said it would be broken.

CantKileanZilean1 votes

Its not supposed to make them strong, just tanky enough to last laning phase.

Ahristocats2 votes

Giving them this doran shield won't make them strong in laning phase everytime i see your posts it gives me headaches

Doran shield isn't a tank item, Doran shield is an item that can be built by mages assassins bruisers adc supports(i don't think they can but w/e) anyone that feels like he's going to get bullied and buy it to survive

get it?

Ralanr1 votes

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Giving them this doran shield won't make them strong in laning phase everytime i see your posts it gives me headaches

Doran shield isn't a tank item, Doran shield is an item that can be built by mages assassins bruisers adc supports(i don't think they can but w/e) anyone that feels like he's going to get bullied and buy it to survive

get it?

You know they never would build it, right?

Ahristocats2 votes

who? supports? yes because they need their "special" item. Every single other class built doran shield in s2 when they felt like they would get bulied. For instance i remember chaox building it in 2012 as graves against Urgot

Ralanr1 votes

Because the idiots who make up this community will never sacrifice their early damage item for extra durability on a champion not meant to be durable.

Remember how the game isn't balanced around master tier?

Ahristocats4 votes

So? idc if the community will never build it

doran's shield is still not a tank item just like doran's blade isn't a marksmen item

Tychusfindlay9191 votes

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So? idc if the community will never build it

doran's shield is still not a tank item just like doran's blade isn't a marksmen item

Aye ralanr, dr sona is right. The dorans blade point is a good point seeing as juggernauts and fighters can make good use of it into certain matchups (particularly tanks). Dorans shield isnt a tank item, and while I agree it could use a tiny bit of love, it'd be wrong to call it a tank item. The dorans items are starter items. Dorans shield is for lane survivability, nothing more or less, and it isnt class specific.

EDIT

Dammit i quoted wrong guy.

RavenMagus1 votes

Agreed, I remember when doran's shield was popular on Vlad before the item was turned into a pile of poop.

Tychusfindlay9191 votes

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Because the idiots who make up this community will never sacrifice their early damage item for extra durability on a champion not meant to be durable.

Remember how the game isn't balanced around master tier?

Dorans shield is not a tank item. See my response affirming dr sona below.

Executioner5 votes

I can only hope you are kidding.

Photos of Ghosts1 votes

How so?

Ralanr5 votes

I'd like to see it changed, but probably not in that way.

PPPPPPPPPPPP2703 votes

I can see tank supports stacking boots and eye of the watchers and 4 of these items. For less than 5k gold he would take 24% reduced auto and ability damage while having something like Braum E, Alistar ult, Leona W giving extra defenses making it really hard for ranged attackers and even melees to damage them until 30 minutes later.

Irelia Bot2 votes

Yes it could in theory be decent in ssuch a manner.

The issue is that you are limited to a max of 6

50000000000000002 votes

You could just make it a unique passive if it's too strong when stacked.

NiceTryVi2 votes

And players stack doran's blade/ring as well. How is that different from this?

Duke Anax1 votes

16 % not 24% and it's not actually all that much.

a bit more cost efficient than getting the same through armor but absolutely comparable to other dorans items.

xelaker1 votes

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I can see tank supports stacking boots and eye of the watchers and 4 of these items. For less than 5k gold he would take 24% reduced auto and ability damage while having something like Braum E, Alistar ult, Leona W giving extra defenses making it really hard for ranged attackers and even melees to damage them until 30 minutes later.

this is super close to the exact thing i was thinking since he neglected to mention any kind of stacking of the passives

Summonerrr 11 votes

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I can see tank supports stacking boots and eye of the watchers and 4 of these items. For less than 5k gold he would take 24% reduced auto and ability damage while having something like Braum E, Alistar ult, Leona W giving extra defenses making it really hard for ranged attackers and even melees to damage them until 30 minutes later.

cough UNIQUE PASSIVES COUGH

Backup4now3 votes

At first I was like "this item completely sucks" but then I read

and abilities

You have my attention.

Irelia Bot1 votes

I want to make it better all around instead of only better against Quinn.

Backup4now2 votes

As long as the reduction applies AFTER all other reductions, it sounds good to me.

Veltox2 votes

Hp regen>damage reduction Pick one.

Tychusfindlay9191 votes

A little ambitious.

Perhaps keep the 450 price tag and then go through with these changes.

Spârky1 votes

And make the passive only 1% so i dont see people building 4 of those

Zero Skill Tank1 votes

Doran shield will never be buffed like that. If that item is strong, it becomes must have on everyone and turn laning phase into passive crap globally. I know it's hard to imagine, but basic attacks are super important in every lane, not only in melee vs ranged top lane matchups.

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

And why are more passive lanes a problem? Ah yeah LCS i forgot. Typical.

Zero Skill Tank1 votes

If you don't get why this is bad for solo Q, I don't think you remember when Doran's shield was meta for the last time.

RoyalMachine1 votes

just leave nautilus alone and dont fk with him riot, you have ruined enough champions with your retarded reworks.

SpecterVonBaren1 votes

I say have it give you some health upon last hitting, prevents supports from taking it since they don't last hit except for tanks and in that case the relic shield line is much better but also gives it a way to sustain damage without the enemy having no way to deal with it (They can try to zone you from farm).

Diana hole1 votes

I thought you were about to say item 3056 for a second

Danjeng1 votes

Imagine if it blocked minion damage too!

(Ranged bonus disabled for minions, it would be too strong blocking 6 damage from casters.)

Irelia Bot1 votes

Might have to stop it there since lane freezing in the past became way to effective.

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