Evelynn isn't bad. You are. Here are some tips from a Diamond+ player on how to use Evelynn

ChickenWrap··48 votes·5,516 views

As someone who has played and mained Shaco for 7 years, I think the problem with people playing Eve isn't that Eve is bad, it's that they don't understand how they should be playing her in the first place.

You have engage in the form of your stealth, and a disengage on your ultimate. You generally do enough damage without your W that you should use it as a mind-game with the enemy.

Use it to zone a high-priority target that you're not going to kill away from the fight and burst the other one. Use it to keep tanks from engaging Use it while behind your target to make them retreat -- directly into you.

Use your Q before the charm completes. If you time it correctly, you'll land it right as the charm comes up, shaving time off how long they have to escape.

Evelyn's E is ridiculous. It also procs Lich Bane by itself. If a tank engages, don't be afraid to chunk them with this.

You are great at taking out targets who are alone or who are out of position. A quick Q E Q Q (Q) R will kill most squishies and even bruisers if you're strong.

You are playing an assassin that specializes in stalking and killing. Protobelt helps close the gap and you can normally get about a second's worth of movement in after they see you before having to use Protobelt. This will let you close the gap completely if you didn't use your W and scare off your target before reaching them because you had to come from the front.

Evelynn is an amazing champion and she is ridiculously strong. Her winrate is not a direct correlation of her strength, as most people playing the champion don't understand how to make her function correctly. Once you understand how to utilize Eve, you'll see huge changes in your gameplay with her.

Here's the build I use: item 1402 item 1001 item 3152 item 3020 item 3100 then item 3157 or item 3089 or item 3135 (imperative when they start stacking MR but not necessary to get if they don't really build any of it. In very rare cases, get item 3102 so you can assassinate their 20/2 burst mage.

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lolipopevelynn27 votes

God, i really hate these "champion x isnt weak, just git gud" arguments. its such a bad fallacy because it can be applied to every weak champion in the game and creates a situation where you never need to actually buff a champion, only get good at playing said champion which is clearly a wrong way of thinking. how well or how bad you play a champion is no indication of how weak or strong that champion is. you can main a champion and get really good at that champion and win more than others with that champion but it DOES NOT mean that the champion doesnt have problems that need to be addressed.

Eves W is counterproductive to what she is trying to accomplish with her stealth. and ive already suggested that her Q needs to get that 60% reduction for hitting champions aswell so that she feels better to play in team fights or when cleaning up.

Nuparu3 votes

Evelynn W revealing her before she has to go in.

Welcome to post-season 6 assassins, where you're not allowed to use your stealth as an actual invisibility factor.

ChickenWrap6 votes

The problem is that people aren't used to assassins that don't have strong engages and disengages. It's not that Eve is weak, it's that people legitimately aren't familiar with how to use kits like hers. They are used to playing assassins that have lots of room for error, and Eve is not one of those champions near as I can tell. Going from Zed or Talon or Kha'Zix or LeBlanc or Ekko or even old Evelynn to current Evelynn will be such a huge shock and switch from what you're used to doing and seeing as an assassin that oftentimes you will underperform and feel like the character is bad simply because you're not used to that particular style of play.

You feel me?

Ventra1174 votes

You hate these arguments because they are valid? If a champ is strong and the players are just garbage you don't buff the champ LMFAO

Anu3isII4 votes

Every champion has at least one or two highly ranked one-tricks with a positive Win Rate, so by this logic no champion should be changed.

Tryce Maxwell18 votes

I disagree, there are core aspects of her kit that are inherently underpowered on purpose. Let's not forget that her E is only 225 range. That's only 50 units more than Xin's Auto attack. Let's also remember that her base damages are incredibly low. She has solid scaling, but the base damages hurts her tremendously even when she gets a good gank in.

Let's also not forget that while her Q retained the same previous identity, she is required to stick onto an enemy for at least 3 seconds to get the full amount of her damage off which is, in no way, feasible in a late game high elo scenario unless you come in for clean up or wait for good engage. If you don't have that she's a sitting duck.

ChickenWrap12 votes

Oh she has bad base ratios? Sounds like Shaco, except she's not entirely feast-or-famine and he is. The poor guy only has one base ratio and you don't get to increase it until level 7 =(

I play in late game high Elo scenarios all the time and not only is it feasible, it's the norm. That shit has long range and if you get charm off, you don't have a problem getting your entire combo down. Besides, even if you don't kill your target, you've still sent them back to base with low health, denied of all the benefits of being near a source of gold and experience.

Like I said befotr. Eve is a champion where you need to wait for the correct opportunity to strike. Nothing about her is underpowered. You're just not familiar with how to play her successfully.

Tryce Maxwell6 votes

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Oh she has bad base ratios? Sounds like Shaco, except she's not entirely feast-or-famine and he is. The poor guy only has one base ratio and you don't get to increase it until level 7 =(

I play in late game high Elo scenarios all the time and not only is it feasible, it's the norm. That shit has long range and if you get charm off, you don't have a problem getting your entire combo down. Besides, even if you don't kill your target, you've still sent them back to base with low health, denied of all the benefits of being near a source of gold and experience.

Like I said befotr. Eve is a champion where you need to wait for the correct opportunity to strike. Nothing about her is underpowered. You're just not familiar with how to play her successfully.

That's also a poor comparison because Shaco is dumpster fire tier. But, that's an entirely different discussion.

Edit: Also make no mistake. I have mostly good games with Eve. I am familiar with her kit, and I do think I make some good choices, but some bad ones too. When I do hit max range Qs my targets tend to die quite easily. But I do make some mistakes, like constantly assuming my E's range is greater than what it really is, which gets me killed more often than it benefits me.

Iręlía11 votes

"mained shaco for 7 years"

Good way to start your very credible post.

Go to the evelynn mains reddit, she sucks.

Jackom19 votes

I still think evelynn could use some buffs, like a small CD reduction on the R, since it packs a lot of damage (needed for kills), and is overall integral to her playstyle. I wouldn't deviate power from it into her basic kit, because that will make R a simple escape tool, while it's more interesting as it is right now. Just give me more chances to use it during an entire match. Other than that, I agree with your post, eve isn't as weak as many players think. Nevertheless, she's not as easy to play as most assassins; unless her playstyle automatically "clicks" with you, you need to play a decent amout of games before learning how to properly play her.

Or just play Galio after today's patch: he's the real assassin now [galio-happy]

TheMoralSupport7 votes

Use it while behind your target to make them retreat -- directly into you.

Almost like the direction that you're coming from isn't extremely telegraphed [sg-lulu]

Great post nonetheless.

TheMoralSupport5 votes

When do I learn to finish reading before commenting .. sigh.. 1+ my friend.

Use your Q before the charm completes.

Spank the Fox5 votes

The biggest buff I want from Eve is her W to not point exactly where she is.

The problem marking a tank with your charm is they want to engage you. I couldn't zone a support Leona in one game and if I didn't mark the enemy carries, they'd feel safe enough once they saw the mark on someone else.

Eve's damage is pretty good, but the amount of cues her W gives is absurd. Eve is a pure melee assassin with mediocre AoE and weak gap-closing abilities. Give her some lee-way when it comes to initiating

ChickenWrap5 votes

You charm the tank to prevent them from doing their job and engaging on your team. Leona goes in? She's charmed and lost 15% of her health with one spell. That time of hesitation can make or break your teams chances of winning or bailing on a teamfigjt you'd otherwise lose. If Leona goes in, she's directly placing herself incredibly deep in harm's way.

Eve doesn't need the one-way for an. You just need to do it right. Utilize protobelt and E. Make use of your movement speed. Use R to get in if you really must. If W goes off, using your Q to proc it is great because of its crazy long activation range. There are ways to make this work.

Cowseed4 votes

So much work just for a single charm..........

Nyarlathοtep5 votes

You have engage in the form of your stealth

Pretty damn difficult when the detection radius is almost the whole lane.

Evelyn's E is ridiculous. It also procs Lich Bane by itself. If a tank engages, don't be afraid to chunk them with this.

Its a shame she is an assassin, the role that specializes at killing squishy targets.

You are great at taking out targets who are alone or who are out of position

Correct me if im wrong, but isnt this pretty possible with whoever has burst in their kit?

as most people playing the champion don't understand how to make her function correctly

To be fair, its only natural. Assassin in order to perform well need to have some way to engage and disengage. However, when your engage can be easily countered because it has an enormous detection radius then we have a problem. Thats why most ( if not all ) assassins have a dash to engage and disengage.

ChickenWrap5 votes

Move properly and your detection radius won't be an issue.

Good thing her E chunks squishy targets as well as tanks.

Shaco has no reliable engage or disengage and people not only complain about him when he's super easy to counter, but sometimes still claim he's OP. Like I said before. It's about learning how to properly use a champion that doesn't have 20 dashes. They're not all Kha'Zix, Talon, LeBlanc, and Ekko.

Cowseed3 votes

Shaco has no reliable engage or disengage

I thought his stealth didn't have a radius so I'm pretty sure it can count.

Nyarlathοtep1 votes

Move properly and your detection radius won't be an issue.

sigh how am i supposed to do it when the q range is barely bigger than the detection. Since they are pretty similiar in range, the smallest move can reveal me, and this is very common. I cant predict the future you know, i cant know whether he will click forward or not.

Good thing her E chunks squishy targets as well as tanks.

It chunks tanks alone. Since squishies have low hp it deals low % dmg most of the dmg comes from lichbane or/and ludens echo-jg item.

Shaco has no reliable engage or disengage

No reliable engage? The fk. And you are diamond? My god. He can blink and become invisible. The only thing that warns us of his q is the smoke and you call it not reliable? And his form of disengage is his ultimate, though its pretty weak as a disengage.

Assassins need dashes to work properly. Thats common fact.

ChickenWrap1 votes

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sigh how am i supposed to do it when the q range is barely bigger than the detection. Since they are pretty similiar in range, the smallest move can reveal me, and this is very common. I cant predict the future you know, i cant know whether he will click forward or not.

By properly anticipating where they will be or using protobelt to clear the gap. I rarely ever miss Hate Spiking my target when they're charmed.

It chunks tanks alone. Since squishies have low hp it deals low % dmg most of the dmg comes from lichbane or/and ludens echo-jg item.

And also squishies because losing 20-30% of your health bar is still losing 20-30% of your health bar and it also procs Lich Bane.

No reliable engage? The fk. And you are diamond? My god. He can blink and become invisible. The only thing that warns us of his q is the smoke and you call it not reliable? And his form of disengage is his ultimate, though its pretty weak as a disengage.

Assassins need dashes to work properly. Thats common fact.

Deceive is not reliable. AoE spells, DoT spells, Oracle's Lens, a giant poor of smoke, poor stealth time that only gets decent at level 4+, having about the same activation range as Flash, it all adds up to making Shaco not have a very reliable engage. Do you even play the character? His R is not a disengage, it's what he uses to not get insta-gibbed when his combo doesn't kill someone (which it never really does). He needs that clone to not get one-shot in return or to be able to stick on his target because he has no CC that can be reliably used on his opponent. He can't fight back if they dash away, he can't fight back if they're faster, he can't fight back if they have lifesteal or better burst than he does. That clone becomes almost half of his damage while fighting other players. It's ridiculous just how bad he is right now at being an Assassin.

But go ahead. Tell me otherwise about the champion I've been maining for seven years.

Assassins don't need dashes to work properly, you just don't know how to play ones that don't have them. That's a you problem and something you have to work on if you want to get better at it.

Nyarlathοtep2 votes

For the love of god.

By properly anticipating where they will be or using protobelt to clear the gap. I rarely ever miss Hate Spiking my target when they're charmed.

1st of all proto has very low range, its barely enough to help her. 2nd of all, either they will click forwards, meaning close to your or not. You cant know whether they will do it or not. And since you want to proc the charm with your q, you are gonna be close to be revealed.

And also squishies because losing 20-30% of your health bar is still losing 20-30% of your health bar and it also procs Lich Bane.

You are going to need shitloads of ap to deal that kind of dmg on a squishy, and you cant afford to really build only ap. You are gonna need to buy some tankness.

AoE spells, DoT spells, Oracle's Lens, a giant poor of smoke, poor stealth time that only gets decent at level 4+, having about the same activation range as Flash, it all adds up to making Shaco not have a very reliable engage

By the logic, every invisibility is very unreliable. Which is not. Also he gains a good stealth at lvl 4+? How cute, compared to eve that is. And it might have the range of flash, but it makes you fking invisible. Not camo, fking invisible. He is reliable as he can get when it comes to engages.

His R is not a disengage

Maybe, i dont really know. All i know is that an assassin needs to have an engage and disengage. Shaco is one of the oldest assassins so his design is a bit outdated. Maybe thats why he has not a true disengage.

CC that can be reliably used on his opponent

Well most of the times assassins dont have reliable cc. Besides his cc is even stronger compared to eve.

He can't fight back if they dash away, he can't fight back if they're faster, he can't fight back if they have lifesteal or better burst than he does

That sounds like eve xD

Assassins don't need dashes to work properly, you just don't know how to play ones that don't have them

Yes they do. Thats how assassins work in lol. They need high mobility, thus dashes in order to work.

Confuss5 votes

Chicken how are you going to make a thread about "getting good" playing eve d5 plus, when you have a 45% wr on Eve in Gold flex que. put some actual elo on the line so you can at least talk from experience and get off that high horse.

Qiyana is SO HOT5 votes

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This is you right? You are D5 and have a negative winrate + low KDA playing her and dont even play her in ranked solo Q you play her in Gold flex. Why should people take your word over high challenger and masters players that say shes terrible. Multiple high elo players have said shes garbage atm. Wheres your credibility?

ChickenWrap3 votes

Ah, I was wondering when people like you were going to come along and try to discredit me!

So for starters, the highest I made it was my Masters promos. https://puu.sh/vQnrs/e0a2f7887b.png

I am D4-5 right now because the network I play on currently is so bad that there's no real point in bothering to play ranked right now. Most games I play end up with me losing connection at random and that can really screw with my game.

Here is my lagreport score: https://puu.sh/y5HOy/d37ca21865.png

It's just not worth the hassle to tryhard to get back to Diamond 1 right now until I have better net and don't want to pull teeth trying to get there.

Let's break it down -- shall we?

So: Multiple Masters and Challenger players who don't play Eve say she's terrible? That's a shame. That's not what my findings have suggested, especially because in my Flex 5's and 3's games trying to get Gold for those Graves chromas, I was consistently playing Eve against higher Diamonds and Master tier players and performing well against them. Do those high-tier players play assassins like Eve or Shaco often? I want to say no, and it'll probably take them a few games to really understand how to make her work -- but I understand why they think she's bad. The playstyle those players prefer to gravitate towards is almost directly opposite how Eve likes to be played. Again it's not that she's bad, it's that they're not comfortable with the way she plays, and that's fine. Not everyone is going to agree on what champions are good or bad, and some of that is going to be based around how a champion plays and whether you like that or not.

Qiyana is SO HOT3 votes

Alright fair enough about your internet. I wont question that. However multiple high elo Eve one tricks have said the exact opposite of what you are saying. Players that have been spamming games on her and have come to these conclusions. Examples being..

Challenger Jungler Metaphor's opinions on new Eve: https://clips.twitch.tv/DreamyFurtiveElkSeemsGood > his op.gg http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=metaphor

D1/Masters Eve one trick Nanotooth opinions on New Eve: https://www.reddit.com/r/EvelynnMains/comments/78i4kh/2_weeks_passed_lets_check_the_result_here_are_my/

D1/Master/Challenger Eve one trick Rekk's opinions on Eve: https://gyazo.com/678a77f8b21844c9414d1431de2f26d4

And theres many more. These are people that have either dedicated huge amounts of time to playing her or have spammed her since the rework and they all are saying the same things. I mean they cant all be wrong and you are the only one that gets her right? Now im not trying to discredit you but my issue is if you are going to make a claim that big, that Evelynn isnt bad the players playing her are, you should at least have something concrete to back up that claim especially when higher elo players that are spamming her are saying otherwise. When you make a claim like that and people look at your profile and you lose more then you win and dont play her in solo Q what are people suppose to think in that situation?

I was one of the few that was sure she would be strong coming out after playing her on PBE but clearly somthing is wrong. Numbers dont lie http://na.op.gg/statistics/champion/ has at the worst winrate only beaten by Ryze atm. Her kit is not Yasuo or Riven levels of complicated either. To say shes good right now is imo too bold of a claim. People can win with her sure but then again people can win with anything if they are dedicated and lucky enough.

Xurreal4 votes

She is perfect.

ChickenWrap2 votes

+1

AirKingNeo4 votes

Why are you posting in gameplay?

ChickenWrap6 votes

Where else would I post about how to play Evelynn?

AirKingNeo3 votes

Reddit.

Don't get dragged down into gameplay like I have. Save yourself.

EinarUlfar4 votes

Can honestly say she performs much better with the new runes.

ChickenWrap5 votes

That's great, considering she plays amazingly right now too!

Linna Excel4 votes

Right, time to nerf her then.

[sg-miss-fortune]

Haunt4 votes

I’ve played her a lot as well since her rework and I don’t feel Lich is needed after proto. I’ve done runic, mobis, then haunting guise into either liandry or a different ap item that’s needed. I’ve played both builds and I feel it does more damage. The Lich feels like ur putting all of your eggs into the Whiplash basket.

ChickenWrap5 votes

I see where you're going with this, but I think Lich is good even without using Whiplash to proc it. Generally, since Eve is melee, you'll get one or two autos in as part of your basic combo. I prefer the heavy up-front burst (and to an extent, sustained) damage that Lich Bane offers me when I'm fighting. There are many ways to build Eve, this is just the one I prefer most over the others. I actually feel like this one does more damage, but Liandry's is definitely not a bad buy, for sure.

A Dizzy Lulu4 votes

1k games d5 with a 50% winrate, yeah you sure know the deal don't you?

eve is really bad, and a lot of it is due to her ult cooldown.

The Spicy Crit3 votes

The problem is only Silvers are crying how she is bad while they have 10 k points on her and think that they've mastered her cuz they went 20/0 against a level 16 opponents

ChickenWrap3 votes

Apparently so is the entire Eve mains subreddit and Discord. As well as everyone in my games every time I hover Eve.

The Spicy Crit2 votes

Meh, im not getting boards and certain subreddit users seriously. After all, they're all hardstuck silvers..

Sexy Jack Rabbit3 votes

Do you just use this account to shit talk silvers?

Chortle3 votes

Daddy chickenwrap spoutin truths

Cowseed3 votes

You play mind games with the W? How though? If I'm marked I really don't care much especially if I'm in lane before a fight. If she's gonna q you you go behind minions and or prep your self to cc. You could also just build item 3111. You could even play ornn and W during the carm. Or play garen and use his W before the charm.

Charm is easily countered

DuskDaUmbreon6 votes

It's a mind game for a reason. You know hard CC (and possible death) is coming soon, and it causes minor panic.

Think of the way Camille's ult makes you feel - like you have no choice. Like you're playing her game. Think of how it feels when an AP Teemo gets fed - of how you're not sure if you're going to step into a trap and lose half your health (or more) instantly. Think of how it feels when Kayn's ahead. Of how he can come out of anywhere and blow you up. Think of how it feels when Kled gets fed. You hear the sound and his yell, and you know that you're pretty much certain to blow up if he hits you. That if he locks on, you are dead.

That's how Eve can feel if done right.

Iręlía3 votes

Pretty tired of this new wave of eve players the EvelynnMains Reddit call the THICC army.

Be a xayah hater today.

ChickenWrap2 votes

Don't you use that term for people who stopped playing new Eve after just a few games?

sorr of like those bad eve "mains" themselves?

Iręlía2 votes

I stand by my opinion until I dont.

Support Evelynn3 votes

How can you compare a champion with true stealth with little to no warning, to a champion with no stealth till 6, stealth that's removable by any damage source and multiple warnings? Just curious.

Lit Corn2 votes

Idk what happened tbh , I was great with old eve and played a lot around her detection range and pretty damn well , but somehow i cant right now , i dont see any big changes so its strange , idk i just dont like that rework , her Q base dmges is too low compared to E , i dont like the fact she has no as steroid now and her new R is cool but uh , I mean i dont really like her kit , the W cook time is too long imo and i dont feel like she has enough burst without it tho , she is kitable very easily so if you dont hit it , rip anyway . Well i might maybe just need to train on her to optimize it but idk

Rand0mH3r0X2 votes

So basically do the recommended build. The combo basically is WTQEQQR. T is my binded button for item actives. You can cast it first to cancel Q animation and E. With three items you can 100-0 someone who allows you to do the whole combo.

I'm not sure anybody's made the argument that Eve is bad or hard to play, rather, there is a lot of room for counter-play that you really have to missing all the ques that you're going to be ganked.

Her power also scales badly with the game. By the time you could theoretically 100-0 someone, there are supports and tanks who are basically going to court you away if they are organized enough.

Vekkna2 votes

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You have engage in the form of your stealth, and a disengage on your ultimate. You generally do enough damage without your W that you should use it as a mind-game with the enemy.

This is the fun part!

Evelyn's E is ridiculous. It also procs Lich Bane by itself. If a tank engages, don't be afraid to chunk them with this.

It is ridiculous but not in a good way. Ekko's E is ridiculous.

You are great at taking out targets who are alone or who are out of position. A quick Q E Q Q (Q) R will kill most squishies and even bruisers if you're strong.

You say "quick" but that's like 2-3 seconds of staying in range of the target without getting close to anything else. In general the problem is with QE, because it seems almost impossible to get in E range of a moving target without a charm. 90% of the time you'll get peeled by your target or they'll dash away because everyone but you has a dash, instant peel, shield, or faster burst.

You are playing an assassin that specializes in stalking and killing. Protobelt helps close the gap and you can normally get about a second's worth of movement in after they see you before having to use Protobelt. This will let you close the gap completely if you didn't use your W and scare off your target before reaching them because you had to come from the front.

Ok, so you basically can't use E without Flash, Proto, or a charm proc. Idk why they couldn't let Eve borrow one of Ekko's billion dashes or speed boosts or slows.

Evelynn is an amazing champion and she is ridiculously strong. Her winrate is not a direct correlation of her strength, as most people playing the champion don't understand how to make her function correctly. Once you understand how to utilize Eve, you'll see huge changes in your gameplay with her.

The main issue is that they kept all the things about old Eve that made her want to build like a bruiser and removed all the things that let people get away with it.

Whether Eve is good or not is really beside the point because she's outclassed. You say she specializes in killing isolated targets, but Kha'zix is just plain better at that. You talk about the charm, but Elise is better at that. Rek and Twitch are both better surprise gankers. Warwick is better than Eve at basically everything.

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