Sylas healing needs a nerf

Glîtchy·Mar 4, 2019·26 votes·11,500 views

Seriously, why are people still complaining about things like Nasus being op but completely ignore Sylas’s healing? Dude healing 340 HP and 70% AP (680 HP +140% AP if he’s at 40% or less health) is just not ok, it let’s him just win a trade every time, playing a marksman? Pulls himself to you and heals back everything then kills you, same with being a mage, oh grievous wounds? Well he says “fuck that noise” and survives anyway, something should seriously be done about this

41 Comments

Rathar DashingMar 4, 20197 votes

Sylas W healing is only 170 +35% AP ratio. It increases to 340 +70% when he's below 40%. Get the facts right.

They're doing the right thing on PBE, lowering the base value and buffing the AP ratio, to kill his full tank builds but also help out his full AP builds slightly.

RagnaveilMar 4, 20192 votes

Bingo.

Daddy AntsMar 4, 20196 votes

His disgusting healing is the reason Tank Sylas exists.

Hexs FortuneMar 4, 20195 votes

Nerf it in the early game. It's pretty obnoxious to lane against as he wins every trade with it.

xDogMeatxMar 4, 20193 votes

or just nerf its hard scaling and instead of double heal it scales by rank level so the lane is more "fair".

GlîtchyMar 4, 20194 votes

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or just nerf its hard scaling and instead of double heal it scales by rank level so the lane is more "fair".

literally no one has a better or equal healing strength, idk why they thought nearly all your HP returning was a good idea.

PB4UAMEMar 4, 20194 votes

Yorick heals 12-82 (based on level) and has it double to 24-164 when below half health with no ratios to speak of and no other way to increase the heal. Irelia, though she can spam it, heals for 12 / 14 / 16 / 18 / 20% AD but has no base heal, and its not increased when below half.

Then this fucker gets a 340 flat heal + 70% AP --Then it gets fucking doubled when he's below half to 640 + 140% AP I mean, are you fucking kidding me? A ratio that is equivalent to roughly 5x Irelia's, with over double, to more than four times Yorick's maximum heal as its base. How the actual fuck did any one think this was in any way balanced compared to similar character's heals?

Rathar DashingMar 4, 20194 votes

Those numbers are wrong, it's only 170 +35% AP, doubled when below 40% HP. It also has no way to instantly reset like Irelia, and it only heals him when used on a champion. Aatrox heals for 30% of the damage he deals to champions, Ahri heals 18+9% AP per enemy hit by her empowered Q, Kayn E heals for 160+40% AD, and as Rhaast he heals for 43% of the damage he deals, along with his massive heal on his R. Tryndemere heals for up to 300 +150% AP, and list keeps going.

GlîtchyMar 4, 20192 votes

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Those numbers are wrong, it's only 170 +35% AP, doubled when below 40% HP. It also has no way to instantly reset like Irelia, and it only heals him when used on a champion. Aatrox heals for 30% of the damage he deals to champions, Ahri heals 18+9% AP per enemy hit by her empowered Q, Kayn E heals for 160+40% AD, and as Rhaast he heals for 43% of the damage he deals, along with his massive heal on his R. Tryndemere heals for up to 300 +150% AP, and list keeps going.

When I google searched it it showed the numbers I displayed

Rathar DashingMar 4, 20192 votes

https://leagueoflegends.fandom.com/wiki/Sylas

DurzakaMar 4, 20192 votes

congratz, you suck at using Google.

Literally the first link to his LOLWiki has the correct numbers.

taleofsonataMar 5, 20191 votes

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Yorick heals 12-82 (based on level) and has it double to 24-164 when below half health with no ratios to speak of and no other way to increase the heal. Irelia, though she can spam it, heals for 12 / 14 / 16 / 18 / 20% AD but has no base heal, and its not increased when below half.

Then this fucker gets a 340 flat heal + 70% AP --Then it gets fucking doubled when he's below half to 640 + 140% AP I mean, are you fucking kidding me? A ratio that is equivalent to roughly 5x Irelia's, with over double, to more than four times Yorick's maximum heal as its base. How the actual fuck did any one think this was in any way balanced compared to similar character's heals?

Because there is no bruiser ap item to compensate, he has to be op because of the lack of ap bruiser items.

taleofsonataMar 5, 20191 votes

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Yorick heals 12-82 (based on level) and has it double to 24-164 when below half health with no ratios to speak of and no other way to increase the heal. Irelia, though she can spam it, heals for 12 / 14 / 16 / 18 / 20% AD but has no base heal, and its not increased when below half.

Then this fucker gets a 340 flat heal + 70% AP --Then it gets fucking doubled when he's below half to 640 + 140% AP I mean, are you fucking kidding me? A ratio that is equivalent to roughly 5x Irelia's, with over double, to more than four times Yorick's maximum heal as its base. How the actual fuck did any one think this was in any way balanced compared to similar character's heals?

Because there is no bruiser ap item to compensate, he has to be op because of the lack of ap bruiser items.

xDogMeatxMar 7, 20191 votes

because new "MecHaniCs" "troll lololol"

AirKingNeoMar 4, 2019

scaling when AP Sylas isn't doing so hot?

Around999PeopleMar 4, 20194 votes

Since his last buff he's become perma banned for me. I'm not dealing with that heal. It was broken as hell before the buffs and its broken now. I seriously question the mental health of who ever thought his healing needed a buff.

Rathar DashingMar 4, 20191 votes

His healing was nerfed though? The only buffs he got were a small increase to base AD for CS, getting normal magic resist for a melee champ, and a small damage increase on his E, which still deals almost no damage.

Around999PeopleMar 4, 20191 votes

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His healing was nerfed though? The only buffs he got were a small increase to base AD for CS, getting normal magic resist for a melee champ, and a small damage increase on his E, which still deals almost no damage.

I must have missed it then. I saw his healing go up last time I saw the patch notes. So might have missed something in a recent patch.

Rathar DashingMar 4, 20191 votes

On the PBE his healing has been changed from 50-170 to 60-140, and the AP ratio was changed from 35% to 45%. That might have been what you were thinking of. Ever since he was first released on PBE they've been nerfing his heal, it used to heal to 250/500 at rank 5.

DurzakaMar 4, 20194 votes

You have your numbers mixed up.

Its 170 HP and 35% AP ratio base.

It doubles if he is below 40% Hp to 380 HP and 70% AP ratio.

Youre doubling it twice because of the first part of his skill, which doubles the DAMAGE, not the healing.

Real numbers make him sound a helluva lot less scary.

Rathar DashingMar 4, 20192 votes

Technically he only increases the damage by 50% when attacking a target below 40%. Glad someone else is pointing out the false healing information.

Warlord RhinarkMar 4, 20192 votes

I'd reduce it to 50 / 75 / 100 / 125 / 150 (+ 25% AP).

The threshold can be increased to 50% to compensate.

The thigh guyMar 4, 20192 votes

Oh man. I bet you can’t wait for the next patch.

But yeah. It’s bullshit for the aoe damage he puts out.

SERBlAN SEXGOD Mar 4, 20192 votes

Sylas is currently underpowered and deserves some major buffs actually.

Rathar DashingMar 5, 20191 votes

Full AP Sylas, yes, but his full tank build needs to get gutted before that can happen because it's actually very strong.

Fat Ass From NAMar 4, 20192 votes

nasus still dumb af tho, 12%ls at lv1(and it gets worse), that is like an inherent 750g advantage.

hiyaresMar 4, 20192 votes

they wont nerf him mostly because in pro play he is getting shit on. the problem with sylas is in a solo que setting hes a god at trading and stealing ults of your main champs. in pro scene they pick up champs with the most useless ults so he cant steal anything and thats how they deal with him.

SiG DxDMar 4, 20191 votes

OR simply remove the % missing hp healing make it a number not a number which becomes bigger at low hp

Fat Ass From NAMar 4, 20191 votes

nasus still dumb af tho, 12%ls at lv1(and it gets worse), that is like an inherent 750g advantage.

Fat Ass From NAMar 4, 20191 votes

nasus still dumb af tho, 12%ls at lv1(and it gets worse), that is like an inherent 750g advantage.

Original SinMar 4, 20191 votes

True he wins every trade with that ability.

SaiannaMar 4, 20191 votes

Tbh Sylas healing is like mage version of any casual ADC :P

SaiannaMar 4, 20191 votes

Tbh Sylas healing is like lil bit stronger mage version of any casual ADC :P

limebusterMar 5, 20191 votes

Yeah it’s a fairly annoying mechanic and I get frustrated by it, I wouldn’t mind seeing power taken out of it and put into his q maybe

limebusterMar 5, 20191 votes

Yeah it’s a fairly annoying mechanic and I get frustrated by it, I wouldn’t mind seeing power taken out of it and put into his q maybe

limebusterMar 5, 20191 votes

Yeah it’s a fairly annoying mechanic and I get frustrated by it, I wouldn’t mind seeing power taken out of it and put into his q maybe

huhndogMar 5, 20191 votes

The issue is that he doesn't have very much damage in his kit. His w is his most consistent and reliable ability. Tbh I think they should redistribute his damage to his passive making him more open to poke counterplay.

Also you cannot compare Sylas' healing to that of Nasus'. Nasus got infinite scaling with healing