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I was going to buy DJ Sona, but not after seeing what your plans are for Veigar.

ApexInTheCircle··9 votes·659 views

I was okay with all these mobile champions and their stupid retarded omega over amped kits with stats just thrown in the mix.

I was okay with the removal of dfg in order to shift power to mages who relied on it.

I was okay with the mana nerfs and mana regen nerfs.

Hell I was even okay when you guy's blatantly stated that you love zed's ability to delete a champion with a button's click.

But you decide to go and basically take a huge...Massive...COLOSSAL CRAP!!! On one of the few remaining semi-viable non-mobile burst mages??!! This guys, this little tiny master of evil(Short joke!!), was my first champion I ever played and loved and felt attached to, so pardon me if this hits alittle too close to home for me.

His stun was his only saving grace when being ganked or converged on by one of your overly mobile super kitted out manaless low cooldown champions. But no!!! You had to ruin it...YOU HAD TO HAD TO HAD TO....I was going to drop money on DJ Sona because I love the skin....but god knows you'll probably nerf her again to borderline unplayability so no thank you.

Direct quote from Riot's SmashGizmo "When looking at a lot of these characters, we found that the full 100-0 combo wasn't something we wanted to support" .....You need to have a long LOOOOOOOOONG hard think about what was just said. Because I'm pretty sure this conflicts with your love for Zed 100-0 people...Oh yeah and you even admitted to liking that about him. Btw inb4 zed countered by zhonyas. Veigar countered heavily by banshees.

R.I.P Veigar.

http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/LKAEsmPM-veigar-changes-hitting-the-pbe-soon ^ Link to the riot post on this subject^

Btw, I know nothing in the pbe is set in stone, this is more of a rant about how they have clashing ideals and can't make up their minds.

10 Comments

DrCyanide2 votes

I'll put it this way - That Q buff had better be one heck of a buff, because Veigar's taking a nerf to his W, E, and R to get it.

CamaHa1 votes

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I'll put it this way - That Q buff had better be one heck of a buff, because Veigar's taking a nerf to his W, E, and R to get it.

It's Ezreal's Q that passes through 1st target. Oops sry it's range is 2/3 of Ezreal's Q. My bad.

Pucking Purrfect1 votes

Nuff said. Upvoted.

Xrusa1 votes

Veigar not countered heavily by banshees, but I agree it is a counter. It's just that the ult damage is so ridiculous in the late game if you're AP, the stun wall turns it into one of the most toxic situations in league. Zed is plenty awful when it comes to having to play against one, but at least he doesn't scale off of his enemy's damage. I appreciate the stun wall change, and keep in mind this is a 0.75 second delay. It should be nice to finally have any way to counterplay that ability. Banshee's would only protect you from the wall up until you got hit by a spell, and QSS would just be a once per 90 second safety net. Keep in mind that a max rank Veigar wall has about a 16 second cd, 9.5~ seconds with full cdr.

ApexInTheCircle1 votes

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Veigar not countered heavily by banshees, but I agree it is a counter. It's just that the ult damage is so ridiculous in the late game if you're AP, the stun wall turns it into one of the most toxic situations in league. Zed is plenty awful when it comes to having to play against one, but at least he doesn't scale off of his enemy's damage. I appreciate the stun wall change, and keep in mind this is a 0.75 second delay. It should be nice to finally have any way to counterplay that ability. Banshee's would only protect you from the wall up until you got hit by a spell, and QSS would just be a once per 90 second safety net. Keep in mind that a max rank Veigar wall has about a 16 second cd, 9.5~ seconds with full cdr.

I see what you're saying, and I can kind of agree where you're coming from. But this change will make his stun situational. If they're going to lower the ap ratio on his R and make his stun have a wind up time, they need to compensate him heavily for said changes. Make it so when people get stunned from his E they get a debuff (much like talon) that makes them take increased damage from him for a set period of time.

As it stands this is a complete nerf to Veigar in every shape form and manner. Turning something into a skillshot should mean a buff to it's damage or effects. Making his Q a skill shot that bounces will only push his lane further making his already crappy early game into a pile of dog feces. Okay so they lower the cooldowns a very tiny bit across the board, but it's not enough to justify these changes at all.

Xrusa1 votes

Playing him on the PBE, his Q at least felt stronger. I agree it's an overall nerf, just wanted to point out some of the better points of the change.

ApexInTheCircle1 votes

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Playing him on the PBE, his Q at least felt stronger. I agree it's an overall nerf, just wanted to point out some of the better points of the change.

How does his E feel? I've been watching gameplay footage of it and it looks seriously painful to land.

Xrusa1 votes

It was awkward at first, but really it just requires slightly more prediction to where an enemy will go. Unless you're up against a zed or something, you can probably get it onto them. It just takes a while to get used to.

lightdragoon881 votes

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Direct quote from Riot's SmashGizmo "When looking at a lot of these characters, we found that the full 100-0 combo wasn't something we wanted to support" .....You need to have a long LOOOOOOOOONG hard think about what was just said. Because I'm pretty sure this conflicts with your love for Zed 100-0 people...Oh yeah and you even admitted to liking that about him. Btw inb4 zed countered by zhonyas. Veigar countered heavily by banshees.

The difference here is that Zed 100-0 all in can be stop by stuns and he has to get right on top of them to use his full combo. Try doing that in the middle of their team.

Veigar can 100-0 pretty much anybody from a distance and no one can stop it cause they can all be stun by his cage. (Well..except for black shield)

1v1, Zed and Veigar can still 100-0.

Heck...Talon, Leblanc, and all those others can still 100-0 in 1v1. What Riot is trying to stop is champs being able to 100-0 someone in the middle of their team and walk away without your team being able to stop/revenge kill them.

ApexInTheCircle1 votes

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The difference here is that Zed 100-0 all in can be stop by stuns and he has to get right on top of them to use his full combo. Try doing that in the middle of their team.

Veigar can 100-0 pretty much anybody from a distance and no one can stop it cause they can all be stun by his cage. (Well..except for black shield)

1v1, Zed and Veigar can still 100-0.

Heck...Talon, Leblanc, and all those others can still 100-0 in 1v1. What Riot is trying to stop is champs being able to 100-0 someone in the middle of their team and walk away without your team being able to stop/revenge kill them.

Veigar has 0 escape, and 0 sustain. Sure he can blow a target up but that's what awareness is for. Zed has ALWAYS been able to 100-0 someone and get away free as a bird. It's called ulting someone and pressing R and walking away. All you need to do with Zed is ult and E and one auto and most squishies will die from just that. And hell Zed doesn't even need his ult to kill someone. Veigar however does.

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