With Riot considering making Rylais a high damage CDR/Mana option

[{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qGtAmuLt,comment-id=00040000,timestamp=2016-10-09T12:04:44.392+0000)

Hell, they should just nerf the slow and make the item a situational defensive option. I remember season 3 and four where AP champions weren't actually building perma slowing items and relied on their own kits to outplay their opponents.

exactly.

It should really only be a major item for champs who lack consistent stickiness, like and because his root is god awful early. But I saw it on a Viktor yesterday, he wasn't amazing, but Rylais made it impossible for anyone without lots of MR unable to deal with him. I also saw it on Cass and I literally wanted to AFK because of it, but I didn't even with every bone in my body saying "FUCK THAT SHIT, GET YOUR MACHINE GUN SLOWS AWAY FROM ME"

In s3 we didn't have black cleaver, deadmans plate, yasuo, ludens. Right now we have soooo much mobility. Mages just react. When game is based on dash/dodge/skillshots mechanics, players motived to use something that helps to hit mobile targets by skillshots.

The item would be fine if they just knocked some AP off of it. It has a niche it should be filling but it gives so much AP you sacrifice nothing for the survivability and utility it gives so it's core on everyone.

I think there is just no alternatives for Rylai. In mobility creep meta, after mymu when most mages lost their burst or became full combo dependant, and most defensive items were nerfed, Rylai is just like blessing for mages. Neft Rylai and we can say goodbye to mages. Unless after update assassins will lose their ability to burst too.

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Suuuuure, that's what's keeping the beginner champions in the gutter. Not red buff, not mallet, not IBG, it's the mid laner when you start playing ARAM after 20 minutes.

You're also aware that Rylai's is part of why Fizz, Zed and Yas are so bad midlane, right? They can't burst you down nor can they get in range to click on you (and if they do, they can dodge like one ability.

red buff is windowed. iceborn gauntlet is not bought on champions who have already tons of ranged cc in their kits and use it to slow you from a distance.

the only one abusing it like that was ezreal, and he alone got the item nerfed multiple times bcause of it.

ashe was the first champion who started the entire mobility creep in the game due to how ridiculously broken her permaslow used to be at the time.

riot started to make more champions with mobility, because the ones that have been existing werent able to deal with her permaslows anymore. and riots solution for every problem back then was releasing a new champion every two weeks.

rylai right now is doing exactly the same. people THINK that rylais counters mobility, when the item hits slower champions unproportionally harder than mobile champions. because while zed, fizz, ekko, riven and other very mobile skirmishers and assassins are affected by the permaslow, they have at least some way to compensate for the fact that theyre slowed.

slows dont stop dashes, jumps and blinks. fizz can still trollpole in your face and follow with his q dash from long distance when hes slowed. riven is still going to bunnyhop around and dash with her e.

but immobile champions are entirely fucked by the constant passive slows. they might aswell be snared throghout an entire fight.

this means the fact that rylais is built everywhere and mages are permaslowing opponents, forces mobile picks since it invalidates the immobile champions.

won't stand for that

I'm happy it doesn't apply both (Like Ekko's E...)

Every tank with multiple AP scalings would grab it.

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[{quoted}](name=Malicious Metal,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=qGtAmuLt,comment-id=00030000,timestamp=2016-10-09T12:13:51.540+0000)

Well, Riot thinks otherwise.

They're either going to: A) Change it into a high damage AP/CDR/MANA item (which would only further promote burst champions and other "abuse cases" to buy it) and it may just make Morello's obsolete

or

B) Chipp off some of the excessive AP and slow and further cement its niche as a tankier utility OPTION

option A wont make morellos obsolete. thats the really bad part.

this isnt goign to be a tradeoff in any shape or form. lets say theyre putting 20% cdr on the item.

thats 40% cdr, a fuckton of ap, and standart magic pen. the large amount of mana will even make the aa shield really strong.

its just going to become core next to morellos, not as a replacement.

if they make it 10% cdr, then its even easier to weave it into a build as a core item. this is absolutely the worst case they could come up with.

even if they made it 30% cdr, and force people to go over cap. wasting 10% cdr would still be worth shutting one or more opponents on the enemy team entirely down.

if there is an item that turns the game into a 4v5 because one of the guys on the enemy team simply cant move throughout an entire fight, then its still a winning item.

its not like people arent building on some manaless champions despite wasting a couple 100 gold on one of the stats. because the rest of the item is simply so good with some kits that it doesnt matter.

What's wrong with option B

Damage Durability Slows

Pick two

His W would trigger it after 3 instances of damage, because it's a persistent AOE. His Q is a 3-hit effect already, and it applies spell effects. Depending on the stack timer, it could be triggered in 3 Siphons - so it would give Mordekaiser windows of up time and down time.

Plus, Mordekaiser needs reworking any way.