More accurately, why doesn't Seekers Armguard give a shield?
Call it balance when one is thirty times better than the counterpart.
They wonder why there is always full AD meta when the items are so one sided.
archerno14 votesSo they should replace stacking stats that Armguards give for minor physical damage shield and increase its price?
Stacked Armguards provides almost double damage reduction of Hexdrinker for lower price.
Unreformed Shaco3 votesit gives 10 more armor at max stacks, and costs 100g less.
10 Armor Vs 200hp shield. I'll take the shield, Especially since Mages have a maximum damage output.
If they can't kill their target with QWER, they have to wait a while. If an AD cant kill their target with QWER, they get to sit there and bash their face in.
Seenan2 votesit gives 10 more armor at max stacks, and costs 100g less.
10 Armor Vs 200hp shield. I'll take the shield, Especially since Mages have a maximum damage output.
If they can't kill their target with QWER, they have to wait a while. If an AD cant kill their target with QWER, they get to sit there and bash their face in.
Armguard gives 45 at max stacks..?
Unreformed Shaco2 votes30 armor base and "up to a maximum of +15 bonus armor and ability power at 30 stacks."
archerno15 votesit gives 10 more armor at max stacks, and costs 100g less.
10 Armor Vs 200hp shield. I'll take the shield, Especially since Mages have a maximum damage output.
If they can't kill their target with QWER, they have to wait a while. If an AD cant kill their target with QWER, they get to sit there and bash their face in.
It also gives more offensive stats. While Hexdrinker gives 20 AD armguards give 35 Ability power. Hexdrinker has 90secs CD and its shield is 200 only after lvl 10 and it lasts only 5 seconds. While you can get and fully stack Seekers before u are 6. Also getting Zhonya after is far cheaper than getting Maw.
And if u look late game Syndra, Orianna, Annie, Brand and tons of other AP champions can burst through Maw, while Zhonya can deny full combos from Zed, Talon, Miss Fortune ult and more, giving u time for your cooldowns to come back. Zhonya is far more powerful than Maw
Unreformed Shaco2 votesBefore 6? 1.2k + 30cs pre 6? nice try guy.
Every one knows AD counts for more than AP
archerno12 votesBefore 6? 1.2k + 30cs pre 6? nice try guy.
Every one knows AD counts for more than AP
Well yes. At minute 10 you should have around 80 CS and lvl 8. With ambient gold u should have more than 2k gold (especially if u get some early kills). I usually have 1200+ gold before lvl 6 on my first back. You get 20g per 10 sec. Thats 120 per minute. In 6 mins, before u are lvl 6 you should around 40 CS (which is 800+ gold) + 500g ambient gold= 1300 gold. So by minute 6 u can get 
(u are lvl 5 at this point) and in next couple of minutes u will stack it fully.
So yes, you can have fully stacked around lvl 6-7 which would give u far more protection than 100 damage shield Hexdrinker.
Unreformed Shaco2 votesAlso, Zhonyas buys 2 seconds. At which point, Zed etc sit there spamming laugh waiting for you to come out and die.
ChaddyFantome2 votesAlso, Zhonyas buys 2 seconds. At which point, Zed etc sit there spamming laugh waiting for you to come out and die.
If Zed is in the position to do that, you mispositioned horribly and deserve the death, and also used your Zhonya';s horribly, and deserve the death.
Radiant Wukong2 votesSo play AD and stop bitching. MR is way weaker than armor and mages deal way more damage than most carries.
Unreformed Shaco2 votesMore burst, less DPS.
Shields beat burst.
Radiant Wukong2 votesA full MR Galio can still be melted by a full AP Morgana/Swain/Amumu.
There isn't a single AD champ outside of except LW Yasuo that could melt a full armor Malph/Rammus.
There is the special case of Fiora who is broken at due to max health true damage and healing/lifesteal.
Unreformed Shaco1 votesLOL GALIO IS GARBAGE TIER TANK. THE ONE ASPECT OF HIS KIT THAT IS REMOTELY DEFENSIVE IS HIS ACTIVE MITIGATION. MALPHITE PASSIVELY HAS HIGH ARMOR.A
Try using Kassadin instead of Galio.
Watch Kassadin sit and laugh at it all.
archerno13 votesLOL GALIO IS GARBAGE TIER TANK. THE ONE ASPECT OF HIS KIT THAT IS REMOTELY DEFENSIVE IS HIS ACTIVE MITIGATION. MALPHITE PASSIVELY HAS HIGH ARMOR.A
Try using Kassadin instead of Galio.
Watch Kassadin sit and laugh at it all.
Galio is S tier tank. Best tank currently in game. Hell, he is so good he is being played both mid and top as tank.
Unreformed Shaco2 votesIt isn't his tankiness that gives him that rank.
If you look at most other tanks, they have mitigation through bonus resists, or flat damage redux.
Galios Q gives 0 defense. Galios E gives 0 defense. Galios R gives 0 self defense. It's only his W, and only while active. The passive shield is pretty meh at best.
He is good because of his ability to do huge damage while saving teammates.
He is what Shen wishes he was.
archerno11 votesIt isn't his tankiness that gives him that rank.
If you look at most other tanks, they have mitigation through bonus resists, or flat damage redux.
Galios Q gives 0 defense. Galios E gives 0 defense. Galios R gives 0 self defense. It's only his W, and only while active. The passive shield is pretty meh at best.
He is good because of his ability to do huge damage while saving teammates.
He is what Shen wishes he was.
Well not really. Rammus get mitigation through his W too. Nautilus gets mitigation through his shield.Amumu gets mitigation through items mostly (although he has passive 10 physical damage reduction, not % just flat 10). Shen gets mitigation through shield on Q. Gragas gets mitigation with his active W. Tahm gets mitigation with his active shield. Leona with her W active. Braum with his active. Sion with his shield active (although he gets health through farm). Zac through items , he doesnt have any passive mitigation. Maokai also doesnt have any passive mitigation.
In fact only Malphite, Poppy and Taric have passive mitigation.
Galio is god tier tank because he has everything that tank needs:
Mobility ACtive mitigation Passive mitigation CC Waveclear Damage Peel Semi global presence
Unreformed Shaco1 votesRammus can act while W is up. Naut can act while shield is up. Amumu is a shit%%%%. Shen can act while shield is up. Gragas can act while W is up. Tahm can act while shield is up. Leona can act while W is up.
Zac and L'Maokai have self heal sustain, so while they aren't tanky, they heal a lot, keeping them in the fight.
Galio is stuck in that channel, and as soon as he is out, he is dead.
archerno11 votesRammus can act while W is up. Naut can act while shield is up. Amumu is a shit%%%%. Shen can act while shield is up. Gragas can act while W is up. Tahm can act while shield is up. Leona can act while W is up.
Zac and L'Maokai have self heal sustain, so while they aren't tanky, they heal a lot, keeping them in the fight.
Galio is stuck in that channel, and as soon as he is out, he is dead.
He is not stuck. He can move, he can stop it at any time for shorter taunt duration/radius, he can use summoners
sit kid1 votesA tanks viability doesnt come to them simply only being able to absorb a lot of damage but comes through having a lot of diffferent abilities usual tanks dont.
Galios Q and passive provides a lot of base damage and waveclear W gives him defensive bonuses and taunt to lock down close enemies E also locks down people and gives him moblity as well. 100 base damage at level 1, 300 at 5 which is insane R litterally makes an ally twice as tanky ontop of providing a huge knockup.
Galios versatility and base damage is what makes him an S tier tank. A tank without CC is just a useless juggernaut. Garen has decent damage and tankyness yet he is one of the WORST champions in the game when talking kit strengths. He only has his tankiness and damage. Galio has that and even more.
Unreformed Shaco1 votesI'm not saying he is a shit champ.
I am saying in terms of tankiness, he is subpar compared to others, but he makes up for that with high damage/utility.
Using him as an example of "look how quickly X melts" doesn't work when he is at the low end of damage mitigaiton.
sit kid1 votesLOL GALIO IS GARBAGE TIER TANK. THE ONE ASPECT OF HIS KIT THAT IS REMOTELY DEFENSIVE IS HIS ACTIVE MITIGATION. MALPHITE PASSIVELY HAS HIGH ARMOR.A
Try using Kassadin instead of Galio.
Watch Kassadin sit and laugh at it all.
?
I'm not saying he is a shit champ.
Even though you totally did
Unreformed Shaco1 votesI have an account dedicated to playing almost exclusively Galio. I don't think he is shit, I just think he is squishier than most tanks.
ChaddyFantome2 votesLOL GALIO IS GARBAGE TIER TANK. THE ONE ASPECT OF HIS KIT THAT IS REMOTELY DEFENSIVE IS HIS ACTIVE MITIGATION.
Galio is literally pick or ban S rank tier Tank right now. You don't know what u are talkign about.
Handy Sandy 4 votesThere isn't a single AD champ outside of except LW Yasuo that could melt a full armor Malph/Rammus.
Every adc in the game that builds for it.
King of Mongoose1 votesa LW yasuo would commit suicide by attacking a full armor malph/rammus
theyellowflash261 votesIm sorry. Did you say full ap morgana could melt a tank? nice fucking lie. morgana sucks ass. good joke tho
Radiant Wukong1 votesDFG MP Morgana will absolutely shred any
Radiant Wukong1 votesDFG MP Morgana/Brand will melt any champ in League regardless of MR. I can show you better than I can tell you, but I have a feeling you're just trolling.
theyellowflash261 votesum, dfg is not in the game anymore. are you sure youre not trolling?
Radiant Wukong1 votesKeystone
theyellowflash261 votesOh death fire touch. That makes less sense. Not sure I understand
Radiant Wukong1 votesOn DoT abilities W/R (full guaranteed if you land Q 1st) is proc dps until you're out of Morg's ts. Not to mention the bonus 7% mp from runes.
theyellowflash261 votesOK but morg isn't gonna shred tanks. She has highish base DMG but not too high of scalings. She just falls off.
sit kid1 votesEven though it isnt
Due to the way armor and mr works, armor works better levels 1-3, and mr better at every other time in the game. AND MR is cheaper
Penns4 votesHexdrinker on the level 9 Zed = 390 effective HP from its MR + 350 effective HP from the shield, so almost 750 which basically makes you immune to all ins.
Seekers on the level 9 Fizz = Juicy 340 effective HP from the armor after buying it and 512 effective HP with full stacks, without a passive.. And the AP at max stacks is only worth 60 gold more than the AD you instantly get from Hexdrinker. So yeah.
archerno12 votesHexdrinker on the level 9 Zed = 390 effective HP from its MR + 350 effective HP from the shield, so almost 750 which basically makes you immune to all ins.
Seekers on the level 9 Fizz = Juicy 340 effective HP from the armor after buying it and 512 effective HP with full stacks, without a passive.. And the AP at max stacks is only worth 60 gold more than the AD you instantly get from Hexdrinker. So yeah.
How did u come to 350 from shield? Its 180 hp shield on lvl 9.
Penns3 votesBecause its 190* extra HP against magic damage, which "scales" with MR. So the 85 MR Zed with Hexdrinker gets 190 x 1.85 = 351 effective HP from it.
archerno12 votesBecause its 190* extra HP against magic damage, which "scales" with MR. So the 85 MR Zed with Hexdrinker gets 190 x 1.85 = 351 effective HP from it.
Oh i see, thank you.
But still Hexdrinker has 90 sec Cd so Seekers Armguards still beat it. Hell it has longer CD than most ultimates (lets see it blocks one Fizz all in with Ultimate, he will still be able to do 2 more ultimate all ins till Hexdrinker is ready again).
Penns4 votesWell 90 seconds is pretty much gonna be up every fight anyway, even if your ult only has 60 seconds cooldown, you cant just engage whenever you want. Hexdrinker still feels 10x more impactful, my 2 most played champs are https://i.gyazo.com/e78c725b102807f943268887ec5e7946.png .
When a Zed or a Talon gets Hexdrinker against me as Fizz Im basically fucked and cant all in them ever. When some AP champ buys Seekers against me as Talon I dont really care at all. Especially since Zhonyas is garbage stat-wise unlike Maw.
ZapMyHeart1 votesSo they should replace stacking stats that Armguards give for minor physical damage shield and increase its price?
Stacked Armguards provides almost double damage reduction of Hexdrinker for lower price.
How long does it take to stack the Armguard? Because time is money. Players get Hexdrinker's effect upon purchase. Those with Hexdrinker could easily survive a mage's burst and kill them for gold, putting them behind. This makes Armguard useless because by then, the enemy would purchase any pen item to counter that flimsy defense.
Instant reward (Hexdrinker) vs delayed reward (Armguard)
However, in a fast-paced game, mages don't have the luxury of playing the waiting game.
Radiant Wukong3 votesZhonya's > Maw
Unreformed Shaco4 votesGood meme.
Zhonya's makes you a sitting duck. People know when it ends and will have already precasted their ability to kill you when you come out of Stasis. You can't act while in there, so your damage output drops to 0.
Maw however, gives you a shield, lifesteal, spellvamp, attack speed and full control on your character. It also procs while CC'd.
ChaddyFantome1 votesGood meme.
Zhonya's makes you a sitting duck. People know when it ends and will have already precasted their ability to kill you when you come out of Stasis. _ If i use Zhonya's active poorly it bites me in the ass , so its sux_
This is you right now.
You can't act while in there, so your damage output drops to 0.
Tell that to Swain, Karthus, Kennen, Morganna, Vladimir, Fiddlesticks etc. Even then, that is a shitty argument, Zhonya's exists to make you untouchable and protect you, not deal damage.
Maw however, gives you a shield,
literally a magic damage only 
lifesteal, spellvamp,
Of which doesn't get used most of the time because ti is not only negligible, but happens way too lane into the fight for an AD mid to care to use. By thre time ti pops they are out of the fight already.
attack speed
Because AD mids care about attack speed. Also, same as able applies.
and full control on your character.
It also doesn't make you straight up invincible for 2.5 seconds. Id take that over the privilege to survive with 100HP after a Syndra pressed R on me, assuming she doesnt have the Damage to just burst through the shield regardless since it is just a shield.
It also procs while CC'd.
Whereas Zhonyas makes you avoid all damage, CC and Single target spells and abilities altogether.
Lauchmelder1 votesYou either don't understand how Hexdrinker is unfair or you don't WANT to understand.
If I kill that Talon twice in lane because I outplayed him he shouldn't be able to get a reset button for 1300g.
It doesn't matter if it's only worth as much as a ruby crystal.
If I won the early laning phase due to outplaying my enemy or him just being bad he shouldn't be such a major threat any more because of it. (in lane mind you, he should be able to come back later if he plays it passively)
Hexdrinker is an item that negates your lead.
Maw is fine, it's a full item. Hexdrinker shouldn't have Lifeline on it
ChaddyFantome1 votes[{quoted}](name=MadKnife IV,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q8g7wyIs,comment-id=0001000000000000,timestamp=2017-06-12T09:23:09.147+0000)
You either don't understand how Hexdrinker is unfair or you don't WANT to understand.
what is this, a religion? You are literately just employing "listen and believe" argumentation. its pathetic.
My champ pool mostly consists of Midlane mages and supports. I understand perfectly. I'm just not depraved enough to think that "feels> reals." Hexdrinker isn't broken, it just makes you salty.
Geshultz1 voteshttp://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Maw_of_Malmortius
Maw doesn't grant attack speed anymore, and instead grants AD when activated.
ChaddyFantome1 votesHexdrinker passive is literally just effective health. The shield is basically just a shittier because only Magic damage and blocks less HP.
I did the calcs and Seekers Armor mitigates more damage when fully stacked as Hexdrinker does when its shield is procs, since when the shield is down, Hexdrinker passive doesnt do anything while Seekers stats are permanent and it also giving you better offensive stats on top of that.
Making Seekers give a shield would be a nerf to the item not a buff. By all means go ahead and change it and Zhonya's Active to a Hexdrinker shield and make My life as 
easier.
I'll just Burst trough the damn thing like how 
does to Hexdrinker.
Doozku1 votesI'd actually really like to see that math for that, not doubting you or anything I'd just want to see that.
ChaddyFantome1 votesI'd actually really like to see that math for that, not doubting you or anything I'd just want to see that.
I'd have to go dig it up because it was months ago (like i said, ive been over this dumb debacle time and time again and i am tired of it) But all you really have to do is compare the gold values of the items and what they offer.
