I think Nocturne needs to be addressed a little

Aamano·Sep 18, 2018·2 votes·1,278 views

Can we talk about how Nocturne's ult has INSANE power loaded into its vision and map control, but then also just has a huge burst of instant upfront damage

I really think Nocturne's ult should either have a channel before launching, or have his ult's damage reduced. maybe just scaling up with distance like jinx

it's really evident how old nocturne's design is that he has that much power loaded into his kit, raw damage combined with amazing utility, even if you focus solely on his ultimate and no other abilities

4 Comments

NevurwinSep 18, 20181 votes

No pls, id like to keep getting 20+ kill games on my silver account. its just too much fun.

JalixSep 18, 20181 votes

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Can we talk about how Nocturne's ult has INSANE power loaded into its vision and map control, but then also just has a huge burst of instant upfront damage

I really think Nocturne's ult should either have a channel before launching, or have his ult's damage reduced. maybe just scaling up with distance like jinx

it's really evident how old nocturne's design is that he has that much power loaded into his kit, raw damage combined with amazing utility, even if you focus solely on his ultimate and no other abilities

i used to main nocturne before i quit, part of the damage loaded from it isnt even his kit entirely, knowing the items to build helps as well, once i build 2 items on him i can nearly 1 shot people or bring them to half health unless their a tank, but going after a tank as nocturne is suicidal unless you have your combo ready and it also depends on the tanks health, items, which champion it is....

his Q - he gains more damage to anyone affected by this, i believe its an extra 50 AD for those few seconds
W - More attack speed
E - stun, you run away from him meaning positioning is everything for someone thats mastered it, also please note while under fear if he moves ahead of you, your character will change direction ive moved people around in Aram before doing this.
R - Paranoia, reduces the enemy teams sight and basically blinds them for 6 seconds, such a lovely tool there, then he can activate it again to rush at someone instantly damaging them then press Q/E fast and hit W and you usually have a dead ADC or support or gank victim, rather useful

the thing is theres 2 items that make his R ridiculous and it feels like with these items passives they were almost made for him.

Duskblade + storm razor

duskblade after not being seen for X seconds next attack is increased
storm razor after not attacking for X seconds next hit is guaranteed crit

Paranoia - duration 6 seconds

add those to whatever else your building, maybe bortk for % damage + a little LS

or maybe you just stacked attack speed and cooldown items like trinity force

you thinking the sole issue is his kit leads me to believe youve never actually played him, yes hes a low skill floor champion even for absolute proper use and rotation you should know how to use him near instantly.

however, i think hes actually out of meta right now, jungling as him is easy but theres more efficient and honestly better picks for ganking and such that doesnt require you to have challenger smite before ganking for the 20% damage reduction when an enemy hits you for a few seconds.

TL;DR - go play some arams, look around at videos, when his ult pops find a turret or something if he cant kill you in 3 seconds if you die the turret should still get him, keyword should doesnt mean it will

AamanoSep 18, 20181 votes

You know that feeling when someone types a paragraph on facebook and you think "god i am not going to read all this nonsense"

basically that lol and it also ignored my point

im only talking about the combination of having one ability loaded with so much utility (a semi-global dash, and complete vision denial on every single enemy) as well as a flat 450 damage nuke (with 120% scaling)

im just saying from a design perspective, it seems overtuned

(your over-analysis of both the champion and myself is unnecessary and unwanted)

JalixSep 18, 20181 votes

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You know that feeling when someone types a paragraph on facebook and you think "god i am not going to read all this nonsense"

basically that lol and it also ignored my point

im only talking about the combination of having one ability loaded with so much utility (a semi-global dash, and complete vision denial on every single enemy) as well as a flat 450 damage nuke (with 120% scaling)

im just saying from a design perspective, it seems overtuned

(your over-analysis of both the champion and myself is unnecessary and unwanted)

its not complete vision denial, you can still see things around you just extremely reduced to your immediate area.

how nocturne is in itself unless they did an entire re-work and possibly even changed some of his base stats, hed become useless.

if your going to bring up a skill needing changed itd be nice if you put enough work into your post so things are clear, how it came off to me "nocturne destroyed me NERF!!!"

not to mention his fear is already channeled and decent players id say MAYBE starting at mid silver they start blowing flash or running away once you start using it since it is channeled and has a very very small range, the range on the dash is actually quite small as well considering its an ultimate, i cant just dash to the edge of the screen.

what im getting at is his entire kit is unreliable, his Q is a skill shot, E is channeled, W/R are the only somewhat guarantees he has... so if your going to make a post about a champions skills at least put thought/effort behind it and honestly i havent even began to analyze things yet what i mentioned should be common sense, trust me if i wanted to analyze you id check your match history but i dont really care enough to do so.

you say a kit seems overtuned, you ask for his damage to be reduced when the real issue is the item builds and yes a bandaid fix by nerfing him would lower it a little, but them re-working the items or just you know MAKING NEW ITEMS to introduce more builds would be a bit more fun...

seriously run nocturne and just hit someone with the ultimate dash at max level without the items i mentioned i guarantee it wont be as explosive as your post leads them to believe.