I feel like we're approaching a point where things need to change

Aamano·Oct 6, 2017·164 votes·6,317 views

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PHp95KO8en4

107 Comments

sheldonbunnyOct 7, 201789 votes

I feel like if this was a drinking game everyone would be dead from alcohol poisoning...

Velzard of KozOct 7, 201718 votes

I wouldn't. I'd play ADC and let Janna with Ardent Censor save me and alcohol would die from human poisoning.

zarxus1234Oct 6, 201752 votes

lol riot completely fucked this season up and they have had ample time to try and fix it and they didnt. A bit sad really.

Ben SharpioOct 7, 201717 votes

why fix solo queue when you can have really fun to watch worlds games? Come on dood! ESPORTS! TRISTANA PENTA! KOGMAW PENTA!!!!!111 ESPORTS!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Jeddy017Oct 7, 201716 votes

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Why fix solo queue when you can have really fun to watch games? Come on dood! ! PENTA! PENTA!!!!!111 !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!

Fixed that for you.

LordGeovanniOct 9, 20171 votes

Idk how that works without the hypercarry take away ardent Censer and Hypercarries still do that just with less healing

iamthegoatofwarOct 7, 20172 votes

Dood...are you a prinny?

StoryDuckOct 7, 201732 votes

Does anyone remember when Redemption was always the first item? How about when Mikael's was always the first item? What about when Locket was always the first item? The problem is people only see supports as a means to buy an item advantage. People are not picking the supports base on what the supports can do but rather what item they can get first. Even if we nerf Ardent into oblivion it will just switch to a new "must rush" item until supports kits are made to matter for their kits and not the items they buy.

DeusVultOct 7, 201732 votes

But it wasnt always the first item. When Redemption was a STRONG item, it was still taken after picking up your gold generation item and sight stone, and if an off meta support was taken, it wasnt picked up by them, they went locket or something else.

Even more so with mikaels. but Ardent is such a hard rush, because it brings such a huge powerspike to your adc, and if you forgo it you lose the 2v2. Every time. Even supports who you wouldnt think would pick up ardent because they lack heals/shields get it, usually by oddly structuring their masteries to include a heal. (Stoneborn pact)

Mikaels usage is a show of skill. Redemption can be played around, since it is a delayed AoE spell. Ardent is just a point and click steroid for your ADC. Literally no skill usage besides "hey guys, I have a mouse and my heal/shield is off CD"

Shit's garbage

StoryDuckOct 7, 201710 votes

Funny you say that because Ardent was considered a bad item until Redemption was nerfed (And it had the heal on hit back then too). I was chewed out for getting ardent first before redemption on Sona back then because "meta". Then other support items were nerfed and now we have ardent. Honestly, it's been the same story for ages. The only difference is that Coin makes gold generations so reliable (and people finally figured it out) for supports that its easy to rush a support item now. You make it easier to punish coin (say shorter pickup timeframe and shorter pickup range) and buff up some of the other support options and it'll likely fix the issue. You might even need to hurt tier 1 coin gold say to 20 to help. Nerf ardent and other enchanter items enough then no one will play them because omg Kights Vow op, or omg Zeke op, or omg ZZrot portal op.

YumaS2AstralOct 7, 20176 votes

Ardent wasn't a bad item at all. It is just that Redemption was even better.

Skins ProjectOct 7, 20174 votes

Ikr i used to get flamed "ardent is a bad item"

nothing happens to ardent at all, others get nerfed "OMG U NO GO ARDENT RERPORT"

StoryDuckOct 7, 20172 votes

I like the power of support items but this expectation that your support pick is determined by which support item has the best active/passive is a really bad mentality.

PennsOct 7, 201726 votes

they already changed this patch tho a bit

LordRedStone Nr1Oct 7, 20175 votes

People surely stop building it.

BoilTheOilOct 7, 20171 votes

Its still really strong though it works on yourself too which is stupid

FairyfleurOct 7, 20171 votes

The self buff is really only good in early 2v2 fights; it becomes useless later.

Best princess EUOct 7, 20171 votes

not only the self buff

35% attack speed+damage is retarded af on an adc

FairyfleurOct 7, 20172 votes

It is, but the buff on a support isn't going to do anything.

YaskamasandwichOct 7, 201715 votes

Holy crap I knew Ardent Censor was bad, I didn't think it was this bad. Probably because stopped playing after hitting solo and flex gold.

FairyfleurOct 7, 201714 votes

Worlds Patch: before 7.19 Current Patch: 7.19

Things have already changed

invisiblecat1Oct 7, 20177 votes

It is still a really good item

FairyfleurOct 7, 20175 votes

Not nearly as broken as it was before, though.

BârdOct 8, 20173 votes

Not soon enough.

Because they couldn't straighten that item out, we get a boring worlds.

One of the teams feigned picking Singed, and the crowd was so excited that something different might've happened... but no, he swapped to a more conventional pick.

Truly PridefulOct 7, 201713 votes

I'm glad someone made a video for it, I've been laughing at that shit the whole time watching Worlds. I wanted to play a drinking game but realized 2 games in I would be dead by the end of the first day. This is a Worlds I don't think anyone would be upset to see a random hotfix in the middle of, but we all know that won't ever happen.

Star Of LoveOct 7, 20174 votes

It's honestly a shame that 7.18 is the patch that worlds is being played on. There have been several really interesting games so far but it gets tiring seeing the same bot-lane matchups of hyperscaling adc paired with the shielding ardent support. I know lcs isn't always the pinnacle of champ diversity but it's gotten to the point where teams are at a significant disadvantage if they choose to break from this trend.

Truly PridefulOct 7, 20174 votes

It's just sad to watch when aside from GBM being crazy you can almost call out every teamcomp based on the bans. Worlds doesn't usually have a ton of variety, but this is extreme.

PsybicilinOct 7, 201710 votes

When the highest win rate build is to take gold gen runes just to get an item quickly, it's pretty clear there's a problem. Not to mention foregoing item 2049

inplaneOct 7, 20179 votes

Something something joke video something something inaccurate source something something confirmation bias something.

P.S. This is a joke about how some people would actually claim item 3504 is fine by having a terrible argument.

Critmaster GarenOct 7, 201725 votes

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Something something joke video something something inaccurate source something something confirmation bias something.

"inaccurate source" like fucking worlds matches, and month of bot lane wrecking solo que.

sure thing buddy.

inplaneOct 7, 20177 votes

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"inaccurate source" like fucking worlds matches, and month of bot lane wrecking solo que.

sure thing buddy.

In case people haven't noticed yet, it's sarcasm. Why would you take me seriously if I have absolutely no evidence on my part to back up my claims lol. If someone says "Something something" followed up by words or short phrases, it's a joke about how some people would actually support an absurd claim with a bad argument.

Now I feel stupid for having to explain a joke.

Rinký DinkyOct 7, 20178 votes

Part of what made Ardent so good was the life drain on hit. This effect alone was so strong that it completely changed how ADC's Itemize, and basically turned the ADC SUPPORT Combo into a ticking timebomb. That one Item was all it took for the adc to come online.

With that effect removed, I expect the item will not remain the powerhouse that it was. Also, with the new runes, and riot's plans to buff anti-carries (Assassins, Divers, Certain Burst Mages, Certain Juggernauts), alongside the possibility of shield spam being modified, this issue should be well on its way to being resolved by the time next season starts.

GGLineaROct 7, 20177 votes

I'm just glad Taric is getting played now when the Janna and Lulu are banned.

AenaeusOct 6, 20176 votes

No wonder RIOT is losing their fucking playerbase.

ArakadiaOct 7, 20175 votes

Can you prove this? Or are you just making claims?

Succubús GFOct 7, 20172 votes

Its hard to graph something such as a player base, but in general a lot of "veteran players" Are simply quitting because this meta isn't fun and riot has been slowly pushing adcs to be the number 1 priority in every game

Automated RivenOct 7, 20179 votes

Source? Or are you taking the 'i have played since beta and I quit cause this game isn't fun anymore' threads that show up every other week.

Succubús GFOct 7, 20171 votes

You can calm down there buddy. Read the first sentence. It is HARD to graph the player base because people quit and people join daily. But you have to take into account the amount of people who HAVE retired due to the game losing its fun. I can provide people that have retired IF YOUD LIKE. [poppy-wink]

chipndip1Oct 7, 20175 votes

Source of veteran players quitting this season?

ThilmerOct 7, 20175 votes

I have said it multiple times: Season 7 has the worst meta ever.

ADCs killing asassins, ADCs playing with 8-9 ítems because some support ítems beneffit the ADC more than the support that buys it... "ADC 2k17 lulz", indeed.

meowwow7Oct 7, 20173 votes

the worst part is item 3504 is forced even if you have a comp with Jayce Khazix Anivia and MissFortune they still expect you to build it as Thresh instead of item 3190

I Main SwainOct 7, 20171 votes

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the worst part is is forced even if you have a comp with and they still expect you to build it as instead of

lol in what elo? ardent censer on thresh would be a straight up trash buy and id beg my support to sell it if i saw him get it as thresh.

meowwow7Oct 7, 20171 votes

gold- bronze idk if they still pester you if you don't get it in plat as thresh but still

I Main SwainOct 7, 20173 votes

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gold- bronze idk if they still pester you if you don't get it in plat as thresh but still

im in silver and this is the first ive heard of it. maybe you just have bad luck and get matched with the weird ones? or maybe i have good luck and get matched mostly with actual people with an IQ in at least the double digits

hi im alphonseOct 7, 20173 votes

Well lucky for you we're on track to the change bukkake that is preseason

LettowOct 7, 20173 votes

What a great montage. Talk about support diversity

The NidjaOct 7, 20171 votes

When supports are finally strong and meaningful... Cry for nerfs. Why not keep mouth shut and hop on the elo train?

Il Conte EiaculaOct 7, 20176 votes

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When supports are finally strong and meaningful... Cry for nerfs. Why not keep mouth shut and hop on the elo train?

Because it's not that supports are strong and meaningful, it's an item that makes the job for them, I want to see more supports like Leona or a Braum (for example) rather than the usual Janna & Lulu, it's the ardent meta, but I hope that riot will learn from this huge mistake, and starts to think for a proper balance for supports and adcs as well.

The Last BalladOct 8, 20173 votes

When supports are finally strong and meaningful...

Reminder that more supports have victorious skins than midlaners.

The TrentOct 8, 20171 votes

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Reminder that more supports have victorious skins than midlaners.

I forgot that just because someone has a bunch of skins they're supposed to suck! Haha, I'm being sarcastic; However, this would explain why Annie is pretty terrible.