Since people figured out this way to play her, her winrate kinda skyrocketed. I think Riot should intervent at this point.
Suggested fix: Make her W passive counter on-attack instead of on-hit, just like Caitlyns passive. Her interaction with these 2 items 
is too strong in my opinion and this change would probably make her reasonable.
ChrisBrownze8 votesShe has a 57% win rate on adc right now and Riot wont hotfix. Amazing
Daddy ReTaric6 votesShe has a 57% win rate on adc right now and Riot wont hotfix. Amazing
She is played what, under 4% ? Not worth.
ChrisBrownze3 votesIm sure your main account is a neeko abuser
Daddy ReTaric3 votesIm sure your main account is a neeko abuser
What? I never played Neeko ever dude, nice assumptions ?
Chembaron Yamada5 votesHer playrate will increase over time, this build just got discovered and people will transition to it. Better to fix her now than when she becomes a major problem stomping games left and right.
Sir Saltarin3 votesHer pickrate was less than 1% on botlane 2 days ago, she's busted and ppl are starting to play her more exponentialy.
Daddy ReTaric2 votes[{quoted}](name=Sir Saltarin,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q061OAEH,comment-id=000100000002,timestamp=2019-03-10T00:53:41.684+0000)
Her pickrate was less than 1% on botlane 2 days ago, she's busted and ppl are starting to play her more exponentialy.
She isn't even on OP.gg on bot lane and even on top lane her win rate is at 52% and close to 51% I don't see what you talk about.
Ragnaveil1 votesProbably because Korea is low to adapting to things like it. Hell, they still playing Aatrox despite his ass being chopped in half and put in the grave.
Sir Saltarin1 votesStop using OPGG seriously it only uses KR stats, stop using that garbage website.
https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Neeko/ADC/
Pòop Sock1 votes[{quoted}](name=Quinn Is Bae,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=q061OAEH,comment-id=00010000,timestamp=2019-03-09T23:50:02.664+0000)
She is played what, under 4% ? Not worth.
so just because they're not played often but it's really really strong? great logic there
Daddy ReTaric2 votesso just because they're not played often but it's really really strong? great logic there
You never played against it in your past 20+ game so where is your proof of your point ? You follow other saying without knowing what they talk about.
Pòop Sock1 voteshttps://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Neeko/ http://www.op.gg/champion/neeko/statistics/mid above 50% wr, but no ignore that she isn't played that often.
before you bring up champion.gg it's on patch 9.4
taleofsonata2 votesShe has a 57% win rate on adc right now and Riot wont hotfix. Amazing
LOW PLAYRATE DO YOU NOT UNDERSTAND? I don't see wukong getting gutted, he is at 53% winrate with a 0.74%. https://champion.gg/statistics/#?sortBy=general.winPercent&order=descend
Daddy ReTaric5 votesBecause Vayne interation with Guinsoo is more fair ? Neeko is fine as it is. Her playrate is low.
Chembaron Yamada3 votesI actually think that Vaynes interaction with Rageblade isn't fair either, however, this is about Neeko.
But at least Vayne doesn't get 2 procs of her W with a single attack like Neeko is currently able to do with the combination of Ruunans and Rageblade. When Caitlyn abused Ruunans to get her passive procs more quickly, Riot made this nerf to make her healthier by giving wider gaps between her passive procs.
And her playrate might be low, but she isn't out long enough that you could really call her players experienced mains either. With this build, her playrate will increase too when more people notice how insanely strong she is and I doubt that her winrate will tank alot from that.
Her interaction with the combination of Ruunans and Rageblade is too much, so I hope Riot stops this.
IP Masquerena2 votesYou need to wait and see.
Her play rate is just too low to even consider correctly.
You need to consider that her situation may be similar to what Quinn had. She wasn't busted, she wasn't strong by herself, but that meta favored her. Win rate isn't everything. Right now, top lane is full of people who play bruisers, no tanks to cc her, no champs to have easy engage on her. The match-ups she has there are good for her, but she's also made of paper and she's not building defensively either.
Bot lane is similar, little to no hard engage. No Alistar, no Leona, barely any Thresh atm, everyone's Brand, Lux, Xerath and other mages. Those work good against normal adcs, but not against Neeko (Xerath's range can prove a problem for her tho, if Xerath is good, but if he isn't, then Neeko just out maneuvers him).
GP can make short work of her on top lane with his barrels, a good Leona/Alistar engage on her can put her down and a 2nd engage will sent her to base.
No-one is playing stuff that's good against her, almost everyone is playing stuff that she's good against, similar to how Quinn was back then. Quinn was the best top laner because all the match-ups there were favorable for her. Put a Pantheon against Neeko, see what happens, she's made of paper and he has a hard engage and burst...but....no-one's playing him.
Stuff that's easily kitable and dodgeable is stuff that Neeko is good against, but that's what most play.
So what about, instead of nerfing something new simply because it's good, why not buff something that's unplayed but good against her?
Neeko isn't Viktor. Viktor had no bad match-ups, just even ones, Neeko has bad match-ups, just that no-one's playing those champs.
Chembaron Yamada1 votesI don't think that we have to wait and see.
The data clearly shows that she is too strong right now and her interaction with Ruunans and Rageblade is the cause of this. In the bot lane, when it comes to her direct ADC opponent, she does not have a single bad match up. She wins against every other ADC more often than she loses, many of them even by a landslide.
And she actually wins against the engage tanks you pointed out, too. She can deal fairly well with getting dove with her ultimate, which gives her a shield and an AoE stun.
For all I care, people can still keep playing Neeko as an on-hit ADC if they find it exciting. But her W interaction with Ruunans and Rageblade is an abuse case. She can get 2 procs of it with a single auto attack. This is kinda BS and should be removed. If after this fix she still is played in the bot lane position with an on-hit build, I am not against it. But overpowered mechanics should not be allowed to exist.
IP Masquerena2 votesThey can only go away when Yi's passive interactions with RB are gone as well. Why?
Yi's passive works the same way as her W passive and it's allowed to stay. Yi can also get 2 procs of his own passive if triggers during a Phantom Hit, making 1 auto be 3, and well, each one applies all the on hits he has and since that auto was a Phantom Hit, you know where this is going. Plus the passive triggering during Phantom Hit also contribute to it's own stacking.
One goes, both go. That's only fair.
You said it yourself, busted mechanics should go, it doesn't matter if one champ is more played in high elos than the other, tho Yi having a nearly 7% play rate and 51% win rate in D+ is a bit concerning.
Saianna5 votesnerf rageblade instead.
Sir Saltarin2 votesAh yes nerf the core item of Kog'Maw because Neeko is busted with it.
Gotta love the Gameplay Boards
Chembaron Yamada1 votesAgreed, we don't have to nerf an item because a champion has an extreme outlier interaction with it. Just change Neekos W passive to on-attack and we're gucci.
Saianna4 votesAlmost every rageblade reliant champion has extreme interaction with it. Phantom hit is really messed up and I'd rather see the item nerfed (or its passive), than cascading nerfs on everyone who uses the item.
Ragnaveil3 votesHe means Phantom Hit if I had to guess. Its a problematic mechanic that is either too weak, or too strong and breaks anything that can abuse it.
kingDeDeDarius1 votesRebalance kog then, the item needs a fix and is causing too many issues on too many champs. You're selfish if you can't put the needs of the game over the needs of kog, when it would be much easier to fix rageblade and kog than try to heavily nerd every rageblade abuser out there. The passive is too dang toxic to this game
KVbqbFsC8e3 votesThey should really just remove the double on-hit passive from the game. It has been nothing but problematic ever since it was introduced with Devourer.
Ahri Baka2 votesWinrate means nothing when the pick rate is low and winrate will get lower anyway when the pick rate gets higher nothing new about this I remember Annie having 57% but the pickrate was too small there is no problem with a nerf , but when the pick rate is too low , there is no need to hotfix
Chembaron Yamada3 votesI kinda doubt that an increasing pickrate will change much here. She is able to get 2 procs of her W passive with a single auto attack thanks to the combination of Ruunans and Rageblade. This seems a bit over the top for me and is most likely the reason why this build seem to work out so well on her.
I am just asking to basically remove an abuse case.
Ahri Baka1 votesI kinda doubt that an increasing pickrate will change much here. She is able to get 2 procs of her W passive with a single auto attack thanks to the combination of Ruunans and Rageblade. This seems a bit over the top for me and is most likely the reason why this build seem to work out so well on her.
I am just asking to basically remove an abuse case.
ye as sad as it sounds , but they won't notice because the pick rate is just too low there are many cases where some stuff were being abused and no one did anything about it
Ragnaveil1 votesAll it takes is a few adc nerfs and she'll be the next god pick.
Daddy ReTaric2 votesI kinda doubt that an increasing pickrate will change much here. She is able to get 2 procs of her W passive with a single auto attack thanks to the combination of Ruunans and Rageblade. This seems a bit over the top for me and is most likely the reason why this build seem to work out so well on her.
I am just asking to basically remove an abuse case.
Remove Vayne while we at it. Neeko is less problematic than Vayne who have like 5X her playrate and use guinsoo just as much.
ODiiiiiN2 votesIve seen countless people try this new Neeko build and fail. So this argument right now is basically the same as 'Yasuo is not OP' Some people can abuse him and carry a game just by wearing a statik shiv and most people dont really know how to play him that well. Hence "he's fine".
This Neeko build comes at a cost though, her Qs and R dmg are shit. Also I dont see anyone talking about nerf auto attack Lulu.
ps. I rarely play Neeko and honestly wouldnt sacrifice her Q dmg to play her like a Vayne. There's ADCs for that. People are just trolling and will soon move on just like attack speed Lulu.
Chembaron Yamada2 votesI highly doubt that this is just trolling if on-hit Neeko wins in plat+ games 57% of the times.
And yes, her Q and R damage suffer in this build. However, most of her damage comes from her auto attacks here and her kit comes with quite some good utility. For an ADC, she gets pretty good safety. Permanent speed buff thanks to her W passive for kiting, additionally 2 hard CC spells with E and R to peel herself. And her R even comes with a shield to protect her from dives.
And Neeko can get 2 procs of her W passive with a single auto attack. That's quite potent, even if compared to other on-hit ADCs.
ODiiiiiN2 votesI highly doubt that this is just trolling if on-hit Neeko wins in plat+ games 57% of the times.
And yes, her Q and R damage suffer in this build. However, most of her damage comes from her auto attacks here and her kit comes with quite some good utility. For an ADC, she gets pretty good safety. Permanent speed buff thanks to her W passive for kiting, additionally 2 hard CC spells with E and R to peel herself. And her R even comes with a shield to protect her from dives.
And Neeko can get 2 procs of her W passive with a single auto attack. That's quite potent, even if compared to other on-hit ADCs.
Dude no where does it show what build people are using in her win rates. out of that 57% ( which could be 100 games for all we know) 5 games could have been "on-hit build" no website gives those details.
But again I ask, so what? The meta is always evolving. First of all, ADC is the role that has the least amount of champions. Neeko herself doesn't necessarily have a role. People usually play her Mid but she was built to be a JG, which she can also do. But would it be a such a big deal if she became a new ADC meta? I mean Heim is listed as one now a days for pete's sake. I think we should be welcoming this new trend. Let her blossom into a new ADC. They aint pumping them out fast enough imo. And they sure as hell forgot all about Quinn (even though I know shes a Top) but they didnt like it when she started doing good bot lane, so they nerfed her ass.
All I'm saying is, if people want to pull off this on-hit build they have to sacrifice the original Neeko abilities. So its a fair trade. And that she's not some unbeatable Yasuo that can't be stopped if she gets ahead a lil bit.
Chembaron Yamada1 votesLolalytics actually does give those details. And her on-hit builds are the ones with the highest winrate on Neeko.
SanKakU1 votesOkay, you make a nice argument but could you please never use the phrase 'peel herself' again? Makes me cringe.
Chembaron Yamada1 votesPardon, English is not my first language, how would I phrase that better?
"Peel for herself"?
SanKakU1 votesYes, that would be slightly better, but my main issue is using the word peel in the first place.
Chembaron Yamada1 votesHuh, I thought that is the common term, tho.
How would you say it?
SanKakU1 votesProtect. Other words work too, but that's the one I use the most for considering the option of keeping a character alive in a strategy game. "2 CC spells in E and R to protect herself with"
FOR JUSTICE1 votesplease, riot only hotfix buffs to broken levels.
iiGazeii1 votesI'm not sure why they gave a burst mage a three-hit passive in the first place.
Like Zoe's passive is understandable, she needs to cast spells, and that burst is part of her rotation, but Neeko literally just needs to attack stuff. It seems so out of place in her kit.
If they really wanted to reward players for getting in close and auto attacking, why not give her empowered autos against people in her Q zone, or rooted by her E, or against players that attack and destroy her clone? Why did they just give her "better auto attack every three autoattacks"?
SanKakU1 votesRiot has a long history of giving almost every champion 2 jobs.
Marksman/Assassin
Enchanter/Mage
Enchanter/Fighter
Fighter/Assassin
Fighter/Enchanter
Enchanter/Tank
Mage/Juggernaut
Juggernaut/Enchanter
Tank/Enchanter
Mage/Tank
Tank/Fighter
FSRER1 votesHow about they REMOVE the 4 hit passive or remake it? How about that?
Oleandervine1 votesYou are in luck. They cut her base AD, base AS, and the damage from her W passive in a micropatch yesterday according to Meddler: https://twitter.com/RiotMeddler/status/1105258532230721536
Chembaron Yamada1 votesWell, still think it would have been a good idea to change her W passive counter, but at least they acknowledged that on-hit Neeko is a problem and did something to stop it. ^^
Have to see how this will affect her.
Oleandervine1 votesWell, still think it would have been a good idea to change her W passive counter, but at least they acknowledged that on-hit Neeko is a problem and did something to stop it. ^^
Have to see how this will affect her.
It will really only hit this build. They slaughtered her AS, so that first and foremost is the biggest hit to the build. It didn't touch her scalings though, which is good since normal, burst mage Neeko will be fine.