The 5.22 LW item changes made health stacking far better then armor stacking

Irelia Bot··2 votes·496 views

Why is this the case?

Current Lord Dominik's Regards and Mortal reminder effect only BONUS armor. This in turn means that stacking armor is only so effective.

However the changes in 5.22 made it so that regardless of if the enemy AD champ has a LW item or not you are going to have your base armor not be effected by a LW item.

So in the case of a champ with 90 base armor and 200 base health it would be no LW item (2000+500)(1.9 +.5) = 6000 effective health VS 2000*(1+.9+1) = 5800 effective health With LW item (2000 + 500)(1+.9+.3)= 5500 effecitve health VS (2000 + 500)(1+.9+.6) = 5000 effective health.

IN addition BotRK's overall damage was nerfed. IT was an item that was ideal for countering health stacking but not so much for anything else since armor was in turn a reasonable counter to it.

Add in things like flat armor pen being something marksmen will almost never get and you have yourself in a situation where stacking mostly health is proving to be the best option for a tank. This doesn't effect marksmen that much since crit chance was all around buffed but for champs who build mostly for AD be it Riven ,Zed, Rengar or others who tend to do so this change did hurt a lot and it can be seen in the fairly large drop in win rates.

So what can be done about this? Some suggestions with their pros and cons.

  1. Revert the change so that LW items do not effect base armor. Not likely to happen given this is riot we are dealing with and this change did in turn kinda solve a issue with LW being 100% mandatory in all situations since it no longer contends with enemies who build little or no armor.

  2. Make BotRK build out of Serrated Dirk and have a 8% of current health on hit as well as say 15 flat armor pen but no active. This would contend with 2 things that are currently lacking, a good % health physical damage item for to contend with health stackers and a means to contend with enemy teams who refuse to build basically any armor. This does however make it less useful for chasing/running away and more of a "stat stick"

  3. Make LW items have a passive flat armor pen in addition to the % armor pen. This is would however baiscally make LW items just as mandatory in all situations as it was in 5.21 since it will be always providing useful stats be it an enemy who has no bonus armor or 300 bonus armor. It would basically become mandatory in all situations on all AD champs again.

Here is the effectiveness of armor for those who are wondering why I am saying all of this. http://i.imgur.com/E2lY3Kc.png

5 Comments

Hayaishi22 votes

New LW sucks unless you go against 400 armor.

WoonStruck1 votes

{quoted}

New LW sucks unless you go against 400 armor.

They just need to recalculate it to make it more effective vs 200+ armor targets.

Its nowhere near 400 right now. Closer to 250 before it becomes really good, considering Dominik's Regard's passive and the tendency of tanks/bruisers building hp+armor items first.

Irelia Bot1 votes

The issue is that there is nothing forcing enemies to stack armor over health.

Rebonack1 votes

I've been saying for a while now that Bork should get split into two items, one building out of Recurve and Dirk and the other from two Daggers and Cutlass. The former would be the anti-HP stacking item and the latter would be the game's lifesteal/attackspeed item. By separating out the active you would be able to make the two items better at their respective roles.

That and I want Madred's Bloodrazor back. item 2015 item 1043 item 3101 Rito pls.

Irelia Bot1 votes

I would actaully like to see a new madred's building out of a revamped wit's end since that would seem more to the originals nature.

More from Gameplay

More by Irelia Bot