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Why does kayle still exist in this shape?

MunchCrunchLunch··3 votes·1,915 views

this champion. lacks any form of counterplay. its absurd. that a champion like her. hasn't been aatroxed or olaf'd. look at her winrates across the board. you can build ad or ap on her and you can still 1v3. its fucking absurd that you have an aoe kog maw with build in aoe damage. add runnans. and lets give her a fucking tryndamere ultimate.

I mean she has an ancient kit. that just isn't healthy. shes more unhealthy than irelia. how the hell is this allowed. i would like to hear any argument yall have. but kayle is not a healthy champion. and it annoys me to have to go against her. and have to go 1v3-4 just to kill her. she has a low and a movement speed boost. the kiting potential is freaking ridiculous.

shes the closest thing to a kog maw with tryndamere ult. no wait. shes exactly a kog maw with tryndamere ult with slightly less range. does that sound healthy to you if i put it in this prespective

and no CC isn't the right solution to every unhealthy piece of shit champion that still exist with an ancient toxic kit

it blows my fucking mind that you have a lane bully hypercarry that has an invulnerability ult that she can cast on anyone on her team.

i mean who the hell do we focus. the enemy adc. or kayle? we focus the enemy adc. kayle ults her adc. we focus kayle. kayle ults herself.

its no fun dealing with a lane bully that also beats you mid and late game. its freakin ridiculous. perma slow with rylais. speed ups with W. good luck fucking catching her. and her skill floor is that of warwick.

shes just a stat check champion with items is gonna beat you no matter what. its a jax with 550 range that has a tryndamere ultimate with aoe damage

fucking healthy my ass.

22 Comments

Wolftastic332 votes

She's a woman, if you nerf her, SJW's will ruin the game forever.

JafarThePanda2 votes

were you implying Olaf is in a bad spot or something?

MunchCrunchLunch2 votes

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were you implying Olaf is in a bad spot or something?

no am implying old olaf was being nerfed too hard and they have brought him back over time

JafarThePanda1 votes

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no am implying old olaf was being nerfed too hard and they have brought him back over time

Ah. I always thought olaf was the bane of everyone who played mage from the get-go

Dynikus2 votes

this champion. lacks any form of counterplay

if that's true, why doesn't she have a higher play rate? Why don't we see her in pro play? Why don't you ask the question "How do I play against this champion?" rather than just QQing about how broken they are?

MunchCrunchLunch2 votes

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if that's true, why doesn't she have a higher play rate? Why don't we see her in pro play? Why don't you ask the question "How do I play against this champion?" rather than just QQing about how broken they are?

because SHES BORING. shes an old outdated champion.

that has nothing to do with playrate.

Dynikus2 votes

There are plenty of "boring" champions that get played a lot more than her. If she was actually as broken as you're pretending, she would get played a lot more.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

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There are plenty of "boring" champions that get played a lot more than her. If she was actually as broken as you're pretending, she would get played a lot more.

shes not broken. she has no counterplay. she is outdated. shes a stat check champion that is hard. to itemize against because of mixed damage. a hypercarry that is also strong as fuck in lane

Dynikus1 votes

shes not broken. she has no counterplay.

[zombie-brand-mindblown]

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

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if you classify that as broken that is your own opinion.

counterplay to melee jax or yi is to kite them. you can't kite kayle. autos aren't skillshots.

SithesisLord1 votes

you can't kite kayle.

No, but you can most definitely hard CC and burst her down, which every Pantheon under the goddamn Sun with TLD does.

BLACK REALM GOD1 votes

counter play - 1 shot her. if she buys defensive items then you can spend more time getting hit by her E. her E builds off of hybrid her Q i think maybe too if not then physical and her heal is magical ap based. you can build guardian angel to counter her. early game her cooldowns are awful and if she uses her W or her E for more than response to you she's going to be left wide open. if you stand on top of her she's going to build stacks of magic resist and armor resist debuff on you and you're going to have a bad day. her R is so she can prevent you from one shotting her. that's pretty much all there is to it. if you wait it out you can kill her easily. only fools continually die to her. slows mean nothing if there's no one there to kill you.

edit if you're asking for visual information to counter her then pay attention to her flame halo. if it's up she's going to be able to hit you with her E. if not she might not have enough mana or it could be on cooldown.

Elikain2 votes

She's boring to YOU. There are still dedicated Kayle mains and one tricks that play her plenty. CC is usually the way to deal with her as one hard CC can stop her from using her ult on time and die or waste the entirety of it under the duration.

In certain cases, she functions as a counterpick and in certain cases, she is a strong duelist to a champion that doesn't have a hard CC to stop her. But that doesn't mean she does what she wants in games that aren't tailored to solely stopping her getting fed.

CaptnJakSparrow1 votes

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if that's true, why doesn't she have a higher play rate? Why don't we see her in pro play? Why don't you ask the question "How do I play against this champion?" rather than just QQing about how broken they are?

she gets played early on in the season every year because something makes her 100 levels of broken.

She's the reason most on hit items get nerfed as well.

She isn't played competitively because LCS strives on global map pressure, something she does not have. However, in a soloqueue environment she's broken every season for a couple months consistently.

feel free to check these forums for jungle kayle at the beginning of every season.

Oleandervine2 votes

You do know there is other punctuation to break the flow of sentences besides periods, right?

Meep Man1 votes

PERIOD! Sorry, I had to, you used way too many periods.

Maximum Morde1 votes

Be cuz titz

CerealBoxOfDoom1 votes

kayle isn't in dire need of a rework

many others are

kayle is therefore left alone

HerbieVG1 votes

Well. You seem. Very upset. Why are you. Talking like this.

Anyway, she's actually super squishy and is very vulnerable without her ultimate. The main counter to her ultimate is crowd control, as the duration still runs down even when CC'd. Also I find that she pushes waves quite fast and she lacks mobility, so kindly ask your jungler for a gank. I'd suggest using Annie against her in mid, or Pantheon if you're in top lane.

SithesisLord1 votes

i mean who the hell do we focus. the enemy adc. or kayle? we focus the enemy adc. kayle ults her adc. we focus kayle. kayle ults herself.

Focus her if she ults ADC, focus ADC if she ults herself. It ain´t rocket science.

but kayle is not a healthy champion. and it annoys me to have to go against her. and have to go 1v3-4 just to kill her. she has a low and a movement speed boost. the kiting potential is freaking ridiculous.

She is, actually. Here's a Kayle main tip on how to avoid going 1v3-4 to kill her. Camp her lane. Pick someone top lane or mid with a lot of poke. Pantheon top or Anivia mid. If she's mid with the right runes, which she should, Anivia will have the time of her life because of her targeted magic crit E and Kayle will have no more than 30 MR until she buys more. Deny her an early game, which is already trash by design given she's a late game champion.

Profit. Her heal only gets strong after Nashor's+6 stacks of Guinsoo's. Her slow is only felt if she maxes it first.

She only beats you mid and late game if you let her go through early game without punishing her. A Kayle not playing safe pre and even post 6 is a Kayle asking to get camped. I always play like that because i always get camped and manage to play safe afterwards.

Cenobite Azaziel1 votes

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this champion. lacks any form of counterplay. its absurd. that a champion like her. hasn't been aatroxed or olaf'd. look at her winrates across the board. you can build ad or ap on her and you can still 1v3. its fucking absurd that you have an aoe kog maw with build in aoe damage. add runnans. and lets give her a fucking tryndamere ultimate.

Wow. There is so much thing wrong with what you are saying. During lanephase she is ranged/melee. Engage after she uses her E to harass or to farm. 6 Seconds to precise where you can harass her or deny her gold. That's counterplay.

If she uses her E to farm she pushes the wave by a fucking lot leaving her vulnerable with just a ms boost to try running away or leaving you to farm under your turret without harass. If she persist doing that she is an easy kill for a ganking jungler. That's counterplay.

When someone plays kayle top the jungle AND support of their team must be a tank. It is a bottle neck for team comps. A team comp without peel for kayle won't work.

You can't build AD and proceed to 1v3 unless she is pretty fed and the other laners were stomped. AP/guinsoo is the optimal build for damage.

she has a low and a movement speed boost. the kiting potential is freaking ridiculous.

That's why you should play with gap closer champions. Xhin, renekton, panteon, jax, ekko, irelia will dump on her during lane phase, damn you can even freeze the lane after she pushes with her E that she will be sitting duck to be killed. ANY ADC will do what kayle do kiting but better. See cait, tristana.

shes the closest thing to a kog maw with tryndamere ult. no wait. shes exactly a kog maw with tryndamere ult with slightly less range. does that sound healthy to you if i put it in this prespective

Kayle has way less range and dps and takes more time to stack guinsoo.

and no CC isn't the right solution to every unhealthy piece of shit champion that still exist with an ancient toxic kit

If a champion is squishy, yes, CC/burst is a form of counterplay.

i mean who the hell do we focus. the enemy adc. or kayle? we focus the enemy adc. kayle ults her adc. we focus kayle. kayle ults herself.

You can focus one and swapping to the other that isn't ulted instead of keep smashing a invincible barrier.Once she gives away her ult you can burst her. If you can't reach her or the adc to make her waster her ult, your team comp is pretty bad.

its no fun dealing with a lane bully that also beats you mid and late game. its freaking ridiculous. perma slow with rylais. speed ups with W. good luck fucking catching her. and her skill floor is that of warwick.

Azir : Deals more damage with higher distance and has a gap closer and a aoe tristana ult. He deals more damage with less items.

shes just a stat check champion with items is gonna beat you no matter what.

Not at all. The biggest mechanic that is a form of counterplay is the time you ult. You have to understand ALL champions combo and damage in the game and know what is the better time to soak their damage. If you are dumping all your damage into kayle ult it is your fault. The same applies to fiora riposte that can soak up damage while CC and isn't a ult.

If you wait to engage a kayle that is stacking a guinsoo, you will have a bad time.

I prefer to play vs a kayle than any aberrations riot is launching these days.

Kled : Manaless , free poke , gap closer and that can get 600~1500k hp back in a split second while losing tower agro.

Illaoi : Ok... if she hits me with the tentacle I shouldn't fight back because she will double damage me with her Q. If we team fight and don't focus her she will deal AOE damage comparable to Oriana. Nice....

Kalista : The best kiter in the game.

Kindred : Anyone talking about harass, kiting slow and invulnerability?

Yasuo .

CodyXSavageX1 votes

I out ran an assassin with boots gg W

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