NEVER initiate baron first. Whichever team does it first gets it down to half. Then the other 5 enemies come in, attack your team and finish you guys off. Then baron is about 1/4 hp left and they take it easy....
Downvoted for saying the truth ok..... try it in ur ranked matches and you WILL see how terrible baroning first with 5 v 5 is up. Seriously most noobs say baron when all 5 are up anyway
JustMyBassCannon2 votes"If you go for baron at a bad time, the enemy team will just steal it!"
No shit, Sherlock; it's been true ever since Baron Nashor was a thing that existed.
Too Ton1 votesThen whats with the downvotes. My logic is true and people aren't learning.
JustMyBassCannon1 votesBecause, saying, "Don't take Baron when their team is up and they can retaliate," is on par with saying, "Don't push a tower when the entire enemy team is standing next to it."
Or advising people that fire is hot.
SnackieCakes2 votesThere are plenty of good times to initiate Baron when everyone is up. If you've got a high damage team and can see that at least an enemy or two are all the way pushing in the bot lane, you can probably take it uncontested (or kill the limited response that comes).
Initiating Baron can be a great way to force a team fight if you're on a more deathball oriented team versus, say, assassins or split pushers. This doesn't mean you just DO Baron, but maybe you start it, back off, clear wards in the area - whatever it takes to bait in the enemy team.
It can also be good to initiate Baron to force your opponents into a position of multiple sub-optimal outcomes, say if you've also got an ally or two deeply pushing a lane. In this case, maybe three of you are capable of taking Baron, but doing so IS risky - though the risk is balanced because if your opponents fully commit to stopping Baron, they lose a tower/inhibitor from the pushing lane.
The point in all of these is to have an idea of why you're doing Baron and of what the possible outcomes are. I wouldn't just start hammering away at Baron without a plan (or without warding/clearing wards).
Too Ton1 votesEveryone downvotes but does not refute my statement in any way.
Stephenizgod1 votesLol uh there are a ton of situations where initiating Baron first is a good idea... like when half their team is dead including the ad carry and jungler. When you have 1-2 inhibs down and know they wont be able to leave base. When they go bot to take Drag and you know you cant contest, you can push or take Baron if you are confident you can take it quickly. When you see all 5 of their team and they are either split up or down bot lane/in base. When you are baiting it and force them into a desperate teamfight they cant win. When you can solo it and your team is doing other stuff. Etc.
Saying "NEVER TAKE BARON FIRST" is a dumb statement, it is not advisable to take Baron without sight of their team when all 5 are up, but if you can win teamfights easily even that is not a big deal if your team knows how to focus the jungler/carries and take Baron at the same time (split up 2 stay on Baron, 3 go for kills or something) its all dependent on the situation.