Darius has a 96% ban rate and pick rate (combined according to lolking)

This i understand, but as someone who has played against him in multiple games (not always in the same lane) i can safely say: That heal is ridiculous. Early game it is totally miserable playing against him, I just sat at turret until he was tanky enough to dive me safely, then i just went to a different lane. Luckily i was able to come back but still, the first 25 minutes of that game i wanted to AFK.

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Darius was nerfed in 5.18 I believe.

One of the difficult things about balancing champions with high pick/ban rates is that the champions tend to be pretty polarizing, so when we go too light, players' reactions are along the lines of "do you really think that was enough?", and if we go harder, it's closer to "champion xxx gutted, gg." It's hard to please everyone in cases like this.

The problem is, Darius didn't NEED sustain in his kit. The amount of sustain that he received is just ludicrous compared to other top laners, who are less tanky, deal less damage, and have less sustain, all while having higher mana costs than Darius. Darius is supposed to be a Juggernaut/Damaging Tank/Bruiser, etc w/e w/e w/e, the fact of the case is that he should not have a heal in his kit with the amount of damage and true damage that he can do.

Yah, but the juggernauts in general seemed rushed and not well thought out. Especially before worlds. I don't see how you guys didn't think that tons of damage, tankyness and sustain all shoved into one kit wasn't going to be a problem, but meh. You can't make someone as tanky as a tank and then give them more damage (or similar damage) to bruisers. It doesn't work from a balance perspective. The fact that every single one of the reworked champions are being banned out for weeks means no one is enjoying playing against them. Whether or not they're actually OP is another issue entirely (I suspect some are and some aren't).

Fiora: Hovering around 90% ban Darius: Hovering around 90% ban Gangplank: 54% ban Mordekaiser: 54% ban Skarner: 44% ban Garen: 23% ban

It's going to be disappointing to see worlds played on 5.18. I feel like balance is the worst it's been all season. I'm not sure why you guys shifted away from the tank meta, because it was honestly very healthy and enjoyable when the season began.

Personnaly, I'm more interested of why sometimes there are only nerfs (skarner for exemple) but for other champ, despise beeing in the same case of "oppression", they end up with nerf+buff resulting in just the same amounth of oppression.

In Darius case, I don't really understand why the max health regen needed to be up to 36%, wouldn't it be better to keep it 30 with the new 12% per target so the champ lose a bit of his (over)power?

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Darius was nerfed in 5.18 I believe.

One of the difficult things about balancing champions with high pick/ban rates is that the champions tend to be pretty polarizing, so when we go too light, players' reactions are along the lines of "do you really think that was enough?", and if we go harder, it's closer to "champion xxx gutted, gg." It's hard to please everyone in cases like this.

I think it's hilarious. Make every champion pick or ban and leave the same amount of bans.

I think it'll be funny when it becomes "whichever team has the most new champs wins"

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Darius was nerfed in 5.18 I believe.

One of the difficult things about balancing champions with high pick/ban rates is that the champions tend to be pretty polarizing, so when we go too light, players' reactions are along the lines of "do you really think that was enough?", and if we go harder, it's closer to "champion xxx gutted, gg." It's hard to please everyone in cases like this.

Remove his heal and he becomes balanced. It's that simple. His Q heal has literally no business being in his kit. It makes no sense thematically (he's all about "MAKE NO MISTAKES" and healing = admitting a mistake, among other things). It also makes no sense as a reward-based system. Your reward for hitting your Q properly is bleed stacks and noticeably increased and satisfying amounts of damage. Why heal? Why scale on missing health? He's already going to out-trade you due to the nature of so what's the point of ALSO healing him? In general attacks that deal damage AND ALSO heal are bad design in general. It's even worse when it's ham-fisted in a kit that doesn't need it and makes no sense.

If you can't get him to be a viable and balanced champion without that heal then something fundamental has to change about his kit, and you're doing it wrong.

You already gutted several champions in the past just to leave them to rot, I don't see why Darius should deserve a special treatment. Remember when Cass was considered a viable meta pick? Instantly nerfed to hell and swept under the carpet, never to be seen again.

That's like saying Kass shouldn't have been nerfed because his 98% banrate made it impossible to gather data for him.

You're right, when a champ goes from 1.4% pick rate to a 96 pick OR ban rate thats a pretty good indication...

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He's being banned way more than he deserves, people just don't wanna bother learning to play against him

Honesty the few times I've seen Darius/Garen go through bans, they did 'OK' at best. They're just still super slow and Darius is easy AF to counterplay. Ignite, kiting, deny the rim-job, CC, burst, you name it - whatever it is it probably kills Darius.

Why is it that people on the boards talk about how meh Darius is, but I've seen Dyrus and Quas both post nerf say he was still too strong and wouldn't be surprised if he ended up being contested in group stages at worlds, etc.

But Boards keep saying how bad he is and his high ban rate obviously means nothing.

Not sure who to believe <_<

unless you look at teambuilder games. where it is darius vs fiora every other game. lol

Yeah this is the problem he now has sustain in his kit even though he is supposed to be weaker in lane when champs have sustain they become unbearable vs tanks.

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Played a game against Darius as Malphite... Well obviously my Q didn't hurt him since he could heal it and deal damage. Too slow to dodge his Q or get close so no bleed. Eventually (i gave him 3 kills ALL OF WHICH WERE UNDER TURRET) he stood under my turret spamming laugh, took 3 shots, Q'd me for the heal, took a 4th shot then walked away spamming laugh... Yes i was attacking him the whole time but apparently only having hexdrinker made him 3x more tanky then me.... Jokes on him though, i killed his teammates and we won.

Maybe you not play someone who is considered extremely strong right now because of their base value when building tank before you complain about someone who does the same exact thing but sustains better due to a worse ability to engage and lower range.

I mean Malph isnt really the best of laner especially against such a strong laner like Darus, his bleed fuck with your shield, black cleaver and E max second shred through armor, true damage ignore armor use W reset instead of natural as so E doesnt do as much, and Malph is really immobile and low on the damage side

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not all games ban Darius just people who cant seem to find a way to go around him :3

Well, how are you going to go around him when he just walks right through your team?

to be fair a lot of it is fear. first game people see darius heal from 1/10 hp to 8/10 3-4 times in one fight. they go nope not again. permaban

Except Garen is easier to counter than Darius now. If Garen jumps you, it's not too hard for most champs to get away. If Darius jumps you and hasn't already used his pull, you're pretty much screwed unless you can burst him down in a couple of seconds.