Yes, I am talking about Vayne and Fiora. I don't understand how this exists. It completely makes the tanks unable to tank. Is there any counter to this, or should i start banning them? And please don't start with the "they have a weak early".
Volibear Boss5 votesI ban them every game, fiora mostly, but sometimes Vayne too. Vayne at least got a weak early, while fiora is strong from the very first minute of the game.
Zerenza1 votesNo, she isn't, what crack are you smoking, Fiora can't beat any other fighter in lane, she loses extremely hard to Juggernauts and Fighter's early and in some cases can't outscale them either, such as with jax. Literally pick renekton into her and you'll win every time against an average fiora, a good fiora will wait until she's level 11 because realistically speaking she isn't stronger than you until then.
Volibear Boss1 votesDude, most matchups are skill matchups for her.
Zerenza1 votesYou seem to be mistaking her for riven, fiora loses to any lane bully, assuming the lane bully isn't stupid, she also loses to ranged champions. The only thing's she can constantly beat are Tanks because she's built to do so.
Zerenza5 votesWell first, yes they do have weak early games, in fiora's case pick renekton into her you'll be perfectly fine and likely snowball off of her. But the reason Percent max HP damage of any kind is good is simple, they wanted to avoid giving champions burst, in Kled's case if his Ultimate didn't do percent max HP damage and did flat damage instead he could dive your back line and kill you instantly. If it were current health damage it would be useless, in fiora's case and vayne's case they needed tank buster's, some tanks become unkillable at certain parts of the game but do it to a point of, well ACTUALLY being unkillable and unhealthy. So the best way to counter that is to put a carry in each role that can counter them, vel'koz, fiora and vayne are riots answer to unkillable tanks, counter pick them. And while yes true damage is annoying it's a necessary evil in many cases, to be honest i'd rather fiora do a miniscule amount of extra damage from hitting a very easily telegraphed ability on an enemy than to do flat damage and be an early game monster.
Tobias Brackner4 votesThat is their job.
Look up a guide, counterplay/build can be very matchup dependent.
TehNACHO2 votesCalls out two tank busters
Calls out their ability to tank bust
I realize Vayne still has the Flat amp on her Ult and the Crit mechanic on her Q, but can we not kid ourselves here?
EvilUnicornLord1 votesTrue damage in general is a problem. Sure, a little here and there isn't bad, but now that tank items have been adjusted to focus on more resistances and less health, it's beginning to be a major problem.
Joxcab1 votesBecause they are specifically balanced around it and have lower damage than those without it? And over 70-80% of their damage is still physical flat damage?
