Fizz is still too strong

Rαy·Aug 24, 2018·62 votes·15,137 views

Everyone knew the buff was too much and the surprising nerf to fix him again wasn't big enough at all.

He's a very one-dimensional champ who just has to reach level 6 and hit you with an, let's be honest here, huge hitbox skillshot and you die. He doesn't even really have to farm until that point, he straight up murders you without items in his current state.

Why are we even buffing assassin damage in the first place when everybody is complaining about the frustrating amount of damage in the game?

28 Comments

Neo CyrusAug 24, 201826 votes

He didn't need any buff. In fact he was so disgusting he was still often banned. The insane buffs should have been entirely reverted. He's 100% pick ban in all my games.

OpistachAug 25, 20183 votes

Reverting his W to the pre-rework state was the biggest mistake they made tbh.

Fízz v2Aug 24, 201824 votes

He's a very one-dimensional champ who just has to get level 6 and hit you with an, let's be honest here, huge hitbox skillshot and you die.

unless you can dodge his E or you are one of the champs that have a counter in their kit like Liss ult. but yeah, his kit is kinda one dimensional and bad

RyzeTheSmurfMageAug 25, 201829 votes

Holy sh** you didn't defend Fizz? IT'S A MIRACLE

Fízz v2Aug 25, 20183 votes

I dont defend his one dimensional kit, but Im not sure about the "still too strong". His win rate looks too strong, but there are no challenger Fizz mains on euw or korea, and no one picks fizz in pro play

RyzeTheSmurfMageAug 25, 20181 votes

Proplay doesn't determine if a champ is weak or strong in SoloQ. For example Ryze isn't broken in SoloQ. Oh wait I forgot he has negative winrate even in LCS smh.

Fízz v2Aug 25, 20182 votes

He also isnt strong in high elo soloq tho, for example LS said he didnt need a nerf in 8.15 at all because LS only looks at korea/china challenger. I mean Fizz is basically the opposite of Ryze. Ryze is the most picked mid laner in high elo and pro play (on this patch Ryze has 100% pick/ban rate over 13 games and 100% win rate) but sucks everywhere else. Fizz has a broken win rate but sucks in high elo and pro (even in 8.15 EU/NA LCS, Fizz was picked 6 times in 90 games and lost 4 of them lel). Both situations suck

RyzeTheSmurfMageAug 25, 20182 votes

Tbh if I were riot I would do the folowing things for these 2 champs:

Change Ryze's ult. Seriosly, Ryze, Shen and Tham only get picked because they can teleport. Give him a damaging ult (like that Energy Conduction he used against the Voidborn in the cinematic for example like make it cause a delayed explosion in an area or something)
Change Fizz's E, that's the main reason he is so frustrating to play agains, make his ult hitbox normal, and make Fizz's ult travel the faster it already traveled (ok English is not my native language idk how to say this tbh).

Feed or FamineAug 25, 20185 votes

Actually, he was so op that he was getting picked in pro play a bit. I know Power of Evil played him at least once in NA, and I think he got picked elsewhere as well

AhrisAug 25, 20186 votes

when everybody is complaining about the frustrating amount of damage

Because assassins should do damage? If they cant what's the point of choosing them?

Daddy AntsAug 25, 20184 votes

Fizz should not be rewarded with an 80% AP ratio for landing a POINT BLANK ult.

The reward should be in landing the long range ult.

AmWhaleIRLAug 25, 20183 votes

Yeah I'm kinda sick of my premade having to waste one of our bans on him every game.

ShablagooAug 25, 20182 votes

They just nerfed him man stfu.

AirKingNeoAug 25, 20182 votes

he literally got double nerfed

4evaAug 25, 20182 votes

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ZardoAug 25, 201811 votes

Uh what elo are you talking about?

http://euw.op.gg/summoner/userName=Ray%20701

He's the same elo as you, so you must be talking about a higher elo. d5 is already the top 2%, so should we really leave the overwhelming majority out of the picture?

RαyAug 25, 20183 votes

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no he isn't, l2p.

fizz is basically unplayable in elos where players arent braindead and play AROUND instead of into CD windows that fizz excels at, if you engage him when his E or R is down you should stomp him every time

his late game is nothing special either

He's even a powerhouse in challenger at the moment and I'm sure we will see him in LCS again.

Also, I am not complaining because I'm losing to him; I have ways to deal with him as a jungler - I just can't stand watching my Fizz 1v5ing either. It's pretty disgusting.

Downvoting won't change that fact.

HayaishiAug 25, 20182 votes

i played against support fizz the other day. 100-0 me with ap support item at level 6 through nullifying orb. Why does he get to do so much damage without even building it?

On top of that you cant fight back because you are cc'd by his ult or he is untargetable

OpistachAug 25, 20183 votes

Were you playing sona or something? lol

Ekko Will Rekko Aug 25, 20182 votes

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HayaishiAug 25, 20181 votes

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No. No that didn't happen. Stop lying. I just looked through your OP.GG and you have literally not played against a support fizz in 2+ weeks. Do you get off on joining the circle jerk?

http://na.op.gg/summoner/userName=Hayaishi for proof.

Oh i forgot you know about every account i use.

FYI the game is actually there. 7 days ago a Jhin game. It was a victory.

Killer of Night9Aug 25, 20182 votes

I would be happy if the Big radius shark deal less damage in the first place. I don't think his lower radius shark is too strong but his big shark is like a Death sentence when he hit lv 6. At least against zed after ult i can still try to dodje his skillshot. Fizz instead after he ult can make sure to 100/0 even if you have flash since it's ult deal something around more than half of hp bar with full range and the slow would prevent you from escaping even if you had flash. He just had to use Q+Ignite for finish the work.

invisiblecat1Aug 25, 20182 votes

https://youtu.be/wYY5gDVdaxY

I'll just leave this here (Sorry for bad quality)

RavenMagusAug 25, 20181 votes

He's a very one-dimensional champ who just has to get level 6 and hit you with an, let's be honest here, huge hitbox skillshot and you die.

Seems fine. Most other assassins are one-dimensional champs who just have to get to level 2 or 3 and hit you with a point-and-click and you die.

Neptunia xoxoAug 25, 20181 votes

I'd love if they just completely reworked him so he can just take 80% of your HP with just Q W E and yes I know it's a full combo but it's also a very simple combo to pull off which is why people hate him and other assassins (because these combos take little to no effort to pull off.) Something I don't get is why just splash huge damage numbers into abilities like this with a kit like this it makes no sense at all For example Fizz can hit level 6 with just a Doran ring compared to someone like a mage with Doran ring and Magic mantle and Fizz combo without R can take you to 20% or even kill you depending on which mage you are playing (base HP / armor/MR) but compared to many other champions even with a Doran ring or Blade or Long sword they don't do nearly enough damage as Fizz can do to someone who has a cloth armor or magic mantle. The thing is everytime I play against Fizz or even if I play Fizz it does not feel like i'm being outplayed or that i'm outplaying people it just feels like i'm overloaded and cheesy and there's so much that champions like this have in their kit that makes up for mistakes like if you miss R you can still manage to kill someone just because your other abilities on top of electrocute and ignite can still nearly 100-0 someone (not talking about late game where his Q with lich bane can literally 100-0 you.)

What I want to see in the future is less splashed stats into his abilities and give him more of a way to actually outplay him and fix his R hit box because we all know it's extremely BS right now. I always find giving any character/champion/hero in any game a huge amount of damage and mobility is just bad balancing and leads to many problems and that's why a lot of people just dislike assassins in general when it comes to PvP games just because of this.

VerciesAug 25, 20181 votes

Honestly i enjoy playing fizz and mostly zed mains are annoyed that fizz is so strong. Since he can dodge ult. But fizz isn't strong enough to get nerf. He is squishy and can be chased down by movement heavy champs. Hard to say he is strong since all u have to do is wait for him to use his E and u can just burst him down. Especially if u are a talon main. He isn't OP or trash. As long as u know his kit u can counter him as long as u have the skill to do so.

Nausicäa Aug 26, 20181 votes

Just rework this fucking champion. No matter how weak he is hes absolutely fucking horrible and frustrating to play against. His E needs to be straight up deleted, its such a disgustingly overloaded ability that pretty much removes all counterplay from the champion.