Irelia is so overpowered it's getting boring to watch

Rαy··119 votes·20,943 views

I see her become legendary in my games and just roll my eyes. No matter what team she is on.

I see her become legendary on streams, I sigh and switch channels.

Hey, this game is over again because someone rarely put in any effort in killing the entire enemy team on her own. ⁻⁵ ᵐˢ ᵇᵗʷ

IONIA STILL STA- ResidentSleeper

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84 Comments

Rexxiee69 votes

Right when you think riot designs couldnt get any less healthy, then they release irelia and akali one after the other.

Z3Sleeper8 votes

Ingenius strategy really. For Rito to nerf something, they need pretty much every post to be "nerf x champion". Since there are two overloaded champions this time, there are two separate complaints coming up. This way they can safely ignore both.

FilDaFunk4 votes

After Zoe and Pyke

yamacchi56 votes

-5 btw

hard hitting nerf. She got to lane 2 seconds slower than usual, god bless.

Nut on my Butt10 votes

It would actually take over a minute of walking to lose a full second from -5

I think the point of the nerf was relative speed

wolvius14 votes

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-5 btw

hard hitting nerf. She got to lane 2 seconds slower total over the entire game , god bless.

FTFY .... .... And now she never going to be able to catchup to hypermobile adc's Ashe who try to dash walk away and she totally doesn't always buy an item that grants move speed first item. /s http://seegitzwrites.com/wp-content/uploads/2015/05/tumblr_l9ofikYl6q1qb6v3b.jpg

I memba balance 7 votes

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-5 btw

hard hitting nerf. She got to lane 2 seconds slower than usual, god bless.

no. not even. -5 movespeed doesn't even add a full second for her to walk from fountain to fountain. it's an actual joke of a nerf.

LeftyRaydy3 votes

Literally "unplayable" now.

Minimac20001 votes

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-5 btw

hard hitting nerf. She got to lane 2 seconds slower than usual, god bless.

Nope, somebody did the math. It's about .25s slower to lane about 2.5 fountain to fountain

PhearBunny36 votes

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Zardo4 votes

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KETSU022 votes

ya'll think she might replace yasuo as the most hated champ?

jurrrr2 votes

no

NumberOneBaller8 votes

Despite Irelia being cancer; Yasuo is far worse.

Aseraan2 votes

But yasuo is banned every game im in.

DoktorKaiser14 votes

Not until she gets her own army of 10 year old kids maining her.

saltran3 votes

Not even close lol, Yasuo can only be dethroned by Zoe

MadNoff3 votes

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ya'll think she might replace yasuo as the most hated champ?

Who's to say really... When RIOT loves Irelia, the community hates her and call for nerfs. When the community loves her, RIOT finds every excuse to nerf her. Either way, better nerf Irelia.

Stephenizgod1 votes

Yasuo is bad not because he himself is OP (which he sometimes is and sometimes isn't) its because of the people who play him. I don't want a Yasuo on my team so he can go 1/20 while flaming everyone and I don't want a Yasuo on the enemy team so he can go 20/1 and still flame everyone.

DarkTree119 votes

i've just ascended past the "revert"/"re-rework" state at this point and am going straight to "remove" in irelia's case

Zeppelins circus11 votes
  1. Sees midlane assassin.
  2. Picks Malzahar as a "counterpick"
  3. She multi-dashes on my crabs exterminating them in a instant.

REEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEE

Tahminatrix 6 votes

I very rarely see irelia doing well, I guess she has a high skill ceiling? idk but she is almost nonexistent in normals and gold elo from my experience. (maybe I just got lucky)

Either way her mobility paired with a stun and damage reduction make her seem alittle weird to balance, if riot toned down one of those (and gave flat stats of somesort or something to compensate) I can see her being a better champion for the game.

Rαy19 votes

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I very rarely see irelia doing well, I guess she has a high skill ceiling? idk but she is almost nonexistent in normals and gold elo from my experience. (maybe I just got lucky)

There is always the occasional noob who first-times her and gets crushed in lane, but I see her decide most games she is in on her own. It is becoming plain stupid.

Even after a terrible laning phase, the fact she literally can not miss CS lets her get to her insane Triforce + Sterak's powerspike fairly fast and easily, which always makes her a nightmare to play against.

Smacking her almost instant-cast ultimate melee range into three people after gap-closing freely usually kills all of them.

SweedishGunner2 votes

Yeah this is what I keep seeing Irelia's do and it's plain stupid. They go 2/6 in lane, then get 2 items and end the game 12/6, it's just stupid. She scales way to well for how simple she is to play.

Tahminatrix 2 votes

Yep, idk why I was downvoted to oblivion though, maybe nobody liked my idea of her mobility or whatever getting toned down (like her resets for cs), because it cant be over anything based on my experience playing with / against her which I clearly written off as possible luck.

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There is always the occasional noob who first-times her and gets crushed in lane, but I see her decide most games she is in on her own. It is becoming plain stupid.

That was already heavily implied in my previous post.

"maybe she has a high skill ceiling?" "(Maybe I just got lucky)" , I even pointed out the elo that I was playing in.

WøOxer2 votes

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I very rarely see irelia doing well, I guess she has a high skill ceiling? idk but she is almost nonexistent in normals and gold elo from my experience. (maybe I just got lucky)

Either way her mobility paired with a stun and damage reduction make her seem alittle weird to balance, if riot toned down one of those (and gave flat stats of somesort or something to compensate) I can see her being a better champion for the game.

I dont understand why u're downvoted.

These ppl are so obnoxious and cry babies.

Tahminatrix 1 votes

They clearly want her buffed because the only thing to upvote / downvote me for has to do with nerfing her outplay potential/mobility but giving her stats to sort of compensate (although you can never compensate all of that utility/mobility with a simple small stat buff , that's why its a nerf)

No reason for anyone to downvote me over displaying my personal experience against her, even said maybe I just got lucky? Idk I assume most people on the boards think that upvotes and downvotes are likes/dislikes.

Dope Solo4 votes

This is true.

The Trent4 votes

Poppy y'all hear sum'n?

DearPear3 votes

Gonna drop the unpopular opinion, but if she's that freewin, care to explain this?

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/485897458443092018/514288764244459550/unknown.png

Automated Riven12 votes

I'm curious, what percentage of that stat is first timers, or people with very few games. For example, riven loses about 5% winrate when she gets popular. So as she stands the only people who play her are 1tricks or mains. She has a 51-52% winrate. When she is popular it drops to 47-48.

So what is the stat on irelia of players with 50+ games, cause I'm willing to bet it's 55-60% winrate.

Jaspers5 votes

58% according to Lolalytics for 1 Tricks.

This is perfect analysis. The higher the play rate the lower the win rate, or it should be. Not only are more people playing her because she is 'OP', it also means more people inexperienced are playing her PLUS she will be going up against more 1 tricks/mains of other champs and losing because they are better at their champ than a generalist is at Irelia.

I say it should be as Lucian is current breaking this trend, he seriously needs looking at.

Automated Riven1 votes

Personally I feel like 58% for 1 tricks is a bit high. Maybe 54-55 would be more in line? Personal opinion. Tbh I think champions should be balanced around 1 tricks. So I think riven's balance is pretty good right now. 1 tricks are around 51-52% and that's all who play her.

3TWarrior1 votes

depends upon the division and the player's skill with the champions

some champions can reach 60% from the best players or even higher

mordekaiser used to have a 58% winrate but 0.1% playrate tied with about 2 other champs at the time: malzahar and anivia, who were both very unpopular at the time but known to be powerful in the right hands

XOXOXOXOXOXO1 votes

Winrate means nothing my friend, if winrate shows how powerful champions are, then obvious overpowered champions call for buffs, why is that you ask? When something isn't really meta, the amount of players who play it drop, leaving only the people who are generally good at the champ to carry its winrate to positive. When you look at someone like Irelia, high pick and play rate in all elos, she will get played be straight up bad players, tanking her play rate. If you want to put winrate into the equation, you need to also include play rate, because bronze players with a 35% winrate, they are the reason meta champs winrates are down, they don't understand the game at all.

DearPear1 votes

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Winrate means nothing my friend, if winrate shows how powerful champions are, then obvious overpowered champions call for buffs, why is that you ask? When something isn't really meta, the amount of players who play it drop, leaving only the people who are generally good at the champ to carry its winrate to positive. When you look at someone like Irelia, high pick and play rate in all elos, she will get played be straight up bad players, tanking her play rate. If you want to put winrate into the equation, you need to also include play rate, because bronze players with a 35% winrate, they are the reason meta champs winrates are down, they don't understand the game at all.

Thing with champion.gg, they only include plat+ in their winrate (unless you ask otherwise). Someone brought up that first timers have a way lower winrate with her, obviously, but you'll find out that most 50+ games played winrates are similar (so this is hardly an argument). I did not include playrate and banrate because I trusted people to check the stats for themselves.

There's several other champions with a higher winrate than Irelia but a similar playrate and banrate. They all have 50+ games played winrates similar to Irelia's.

And this whole argument contradicts with the OP anyway : "Hey, this game is over again because someone rarely put in any effort in killing the entire enemy team on her own."

If it's that easy and requires no effort, then why are people even talking about first timers and inexperienced players on the champion?


To be fair I expected the massive downvotes. The hate train is hardly stoppable. But I would really appreciate if people stopped strawmaning me and looked at the fact. You CAN hate Irelia. You CAN find her annoying / oppressive / unfun to play against. But you CAN'T call her an effortless pentakiller freewin champion, because she's not and most arguments I've read here just counters that idea.

Dr Dog3 votes

but -5 now she'll never be able to catch anyone, not like she has a long ranged dash with resets or anything

Fear the Kayn2 votes

instead of -5 ms, it should have been -5% Q range

SwiftKitten882 votes

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instead of -5 ms, it should have been -5% Q range

it should have been -5% winrate

ValiantKiller2 votes

And she almost banned 100% all games yet riot make nothing about her, except a a joke -5 movement speed nerf.

Chewedon1 votes

She got more nerfs to her in 3 months than Yasuo ever got in 4 years of being released.

ValiantKiller3 votes

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She got more nerfs to her in 3 months than Yasuo ever got in 4 years of being released.

Cause it useless nerfs that make no difference

Chewedon2 votes
  • 1.2 second stun becomes 0.75 second stun nerf
  • Damage reduction to Q, W and R nerfs
  • Q range reduction nerf
  • W armor reduction nerf
  • E mark duration nerf
  • Passive damage nerf

Every aspect of her kit was nerfed and you implied Riot hardly nerfed her?

Come on man, even I'm not that dellusional.

3TWarrior2 votes

her kit is a little over the top though, mostly by mana costs

  • she can use her Q three times minimum in an engage if she lands her abilities,

  • can render champions UNABLE to auto attack (which I suppose is no different from teemo, but he's had almost all of his power cut over the years) though she can also affect more than one champion at once with it

  • she's a melee with multiple ranged attacks in her kit?

  • she can heal, engage and farm with the same ability that only costs 20 mana to use?

  • multiple area of effect attacks that allow her to perform too many roles at once

it's really hard for them to balance something that has an advantage in its kit that is not very affected by numbers unless you gut it

WøOxer1 votes

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The heal she gets is a joke. Ranged attacks? Only ult has slight range.

Multiple arrea of affect yes with that I can agree.

3TWarrior1 votes

her E and ult are both ranged and if you count her Q letting her engage from 600 range, she meets most marksmen's ranged advantage to then attack with her melee stats, but most melee that can do this either have very short range dashes or no ranged abilities

actually, looking into it, ALL OF HER ABILITIES ARE RANGED

the heal is also not meant to be very impressive, but it adds up the more AD she has and is based on TOTAL AD

Spooky Skeleton2 votes

It's the build too that pisses me off. item 3078 item 3748 item 3053 and some other semi-tanky bullshit and she's running around with over 3k hp so it's not like you can simply burst her out. Her kit also has no weaknesses. her early, mid and late are amazing (maybe her superlategame isn't but who cares she ends games before that).

The Goodest Boy2 votes

LOOOOl right??? had a game the other day, me and my boy Sirberus in the botlane, and 3 other clowns. an irelia top, I think a veigar mid? and someone else in the jungle.

literally EVERYONE except irelia was hard losing lane and borderline inting, giving every enemy player (except top) a significant lead.

guess who won the game anyways because their Irelia was literally so godlike in teamfights and 1v1s that she carried 4 inters? yep.

its so fucking stupid

Saianna2 votes

In last Kashaway video there was a clip of irelia backdooring enemy nexus. The teemo tried to protect it. He didn't last even a scond, needles to say he didn't do anything to her.

I dunno if that's hard counter thing or if she was ungodly feed, but.. That huge gap in what one can do to the other is just....... Boring.

NoIWontBuySkins2 votes

League of "Riot refuses to balance shiit"

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