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As a Pyke player: please do not buff him

Rαy··124 votes·20,250 views

PBE: Death from Below (R) execute damage changed from [200-605] to [250-605]

I spent these last weeks practising him a lot, finding items that synergize best with his kit, getting down his surprisingly big variety of combos and came to this conclusion: he is too strong in the right hands.

It is absolutely easy not to die if you know what you are doing due to his E and W being such ridiculously reliable escaping tools that synergize with each other on relatively low cooldowns.

Why even buff his outplay button in the first place? His damage (+ damage in the game in general) and snowball potential is very high already. He is currently sitting at a 50%+ winrate and a 30% banrate in plat+. We will not even be able to play him at all if these buffs go through.

We get it, you want flashy, edgy champions at Worlds, but this balancing approach of actively overbuffing popular champions is absolutely toxic for the already questionable game state.

61 Comments

Saezio43 votes

I am guessing sandstorm pyke didn't sell as much as expected?

PowerSlave9932 votes

Yep, nice finding! Honestly, this is some reason why they buff him.

Galiö19 votes

He is a new champion wwith a 12% play rate, a nearly 2% main rate (which is high) and a 1.2% one trick rate (which is very high, especially for a new champ). 1/4 of all pyke players spam pyke. 12% of all games have a pyke in it. He also has a decent ban rate. He also is already played competativly.

None of this makes sense.

Apocalypsic3 votes

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He is a new champion wwith a 12% play rate, a nearly 2% main rate (which is high) and a 1.2% one trick rate (which is very high, especially for a new champ). 1/4 of all pyke players spam pyke. 12% of all games have a pyke in it. He also has a decent ban rate. He also is already played competativly.

None of this makes sense.

He's fun.

Galiö3 votes

Tbh I'm not a fan of his design or kit. Personally. But I understand why people would like him. But he is super popular, overloaded kit, nd already decent in strength and situationally very strong already. No reason to buff his early snowball potential.

Malicious Metal6 votes

It's not about skin sales, it's about Riot wanting him picked in the LCS because he makes for a "fun" viewer experience.

10226 votes

for who ? most players who watch streams play this game and know how obnoxious it feels to face execution with a reset, he will be pick/banned even more in soloQ and you want to tell me those people want to see the same aids dominate in tournaments now?

Malicious Metal1 votes

LCS viewers =/= stream viewers

Plus the LCS is really stale right now with very little action, Riot tries to fix that by buffing playmaking supports like Pyke and Thresh. Don't agree with that decision, but hey, it's their game.

LordGeovanni1 votes

I dont see how the problem being that anyone who gets caught gets blown up squishy range or bulky Melee but play CC supports are supposed to fix that for the community to complain about cc again after worlds and get the cooldowns and defense of supposedly bulky champions nerfed again.

SweedishGunner26 votes

I play him a bit as well and I agree, the ultimate doesn't need a buff.

fire wolf0414 votes

agree.

QancerClown6 votes

Pyke is actually strong. Why would they even buff him.

MorgManBasher5 votes

Why on earth would you buff that champ, if anything he's too strong.

Unstoppable Monk6 votes

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Why on earth would you buff that champ, if anything he's too strong.

because idiots are jungling him into a shitty win rate and if rito balance is known for anything its making changes without knowing what's behind that win %

Thefrostyviking1 votes

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because idiots are jungling him into a shitty win rate and if rito balance is known for anything its making changes without knowing what's behind that win %

Dude what.

Riot can monitor a champs winrate for the lanes they play, even if some screwaround decides to jungle with him it wont affect the statistics for his botlane winrate.

Unstoppable Monk2 votes

Assuming that the balance team operates on logic

Hammermancer4 votes

tbh I don't want him buffed, but i'd love to see cinderhulk, atmas, and titanic have a value for him.. I just think it'd be fun

not like give him health, but count the health he would have for the sake of damages

Akaśhí3 votes

Yeah I would like to play against Pyke with 4000+ health waiting behind and executing. He would be so balanced...

Karakot3 votes

People never consider that there’s a reason his passive is how it is..

Steelflame2 votes

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Yeah I would like to play against Pyke with 4000+ health waiting behind and executing. He would be so balanced...

They don't want him to get HP. They want it so that what HP he SHOULD have counts toward those item's HP ratios. It would be nice for support Pyke, if nothing else, if things like Locket could even be allowed to work on him.

Akaśhí2 votes

I know what you mean by this and let me tell you a secret he IS A SUPPORT champion...Please don't say things like " for SUPPORT Pyke" I've had games with Pyke on top... for 20 minutes 40 farm 0/13 ... enjoyable...

GhaelWinds2 votes

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I know what you mean by this and let me tell you a secret he IS A SUPPORT champion...Please don't say things like " for SUPPORT Pyke" I've had games with Pyke on top... for 20 minutes 40 farm 0/13 ... enjoyable...

Pyke top player here. He can deffo be a toplaner. So if the bonus health thing matters for items then titanic will become very good on him.

Champions can go many places ya know. I love pyke top and hardly play him anywhere else unless autofilled.

Akaśhí1 votes

Never had a Pyke top that wasn't going 0/10 or 0/20 ...

GhaelWinds2 votes

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Never had a Pyke top that wasn't going 0/10 or 0/20 ...

Check me on op.gg if you wish. Personal experience isnt everything. I personally think hes a very viable toplaner in his own unique way.

Hammermancer2 votes

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Yeah I would like to play against Pyke with 4000+ health waiting behind and executing. He would be so balanced...

not at all what I was implying, I meant for the %increase to go towards his damage increase, and for the atmas to work off of it, as if he had an inert bonus hp pool to derive the stats from but wouldn't have the actual hp

GelsominoKiller4 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ray 701,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sBVcPLAP,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-09-19T10:05:58.246+0000)

We get it, you want flashy, edgy champions at Worlds, but this balancing approach of actively overbuffing popular champions is absolutely toxic for the already questionable game state

^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^

Perfectly well written my friend

PapaGreg214 votes

I'm banning this guy every game already. There is no way I am playing against him if they keep buffing him. He has wiped my teams so many times with that dumb ulti.

Minimac20004 votes

Agreed pyke currently feels fair to play with and against and is imo one of the more balanced champs in the game rn. He does not need buffs to his already decently strong ult

Grace4 votes

I already find Pyke obnoxious to play against in general. He definitely does not need any buffs, he is already relevant as it is.

0 Hogapu3 votes

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Rαy1 votes

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You know how authentic a thread is when it has 100% upvotes. Have mine (:

Thanks mate! :)

Limrick3 votes

Wow and it's probably the most annoying part of his kit too. Feels great to get executed from half HP and give up bonus gold AND a reset so he can do it again to some other poor sap. Pyke is a really cool and fun champ, but come on Riot, his ultimate of all things does not need a buff.

Geo5963 votes

He has a 36% ban rate, no idea why they're buffing him.

l MrD l3 votes

when will riot learn ... we dont care for instant kills .... all these executes overloaded damage and mobility isnt interesting ........ whats inetersting is how the teams stragegise as well as seeing outplays like fakers zed vs zed outplay....

Get Ogre Here2 votes

I agree with you, but not in the same way. I feel that his early-game ult damage should be increased, but his Q cooldown late game should be increased, it's way too short now and it could be good compensation.

Mael bro2 votes

He's squishy and easy to burst down. However his level 1 is insanely strong

Daddy Ants2 votes

agree

the weeaboo2 votes

He's already an extremely strong pick one you learn to play him. He has a ton of damage on top of being one of the most slippery champs in the game.

Recently I've picked him up and been absolutely popping off because you can make plays with the rest of your team too, not just your ADC. So if they feed, you can go support somewhere else and make shit happen. His pull distance is pretty crazy too.

Definitely doesnt need more buffs... people already hate him now he'll have a 100% ban rate.

Resolution2 votes

I just started playing Pyke too. He is not weak... Really hope they don't buff him so he's not banned lots.

Slim Gragas1 votes

Support who builds full lethality and has a resetting execute btw.

Ryusaether2 votes

Yeah he builds that if he wants to be literally useless all game

Slim Gragas1 votes

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Yeah he builds that if he wants to be literally useless all game

Not really, many go that instead.

QmegaSquadVeigar2 votes

Lethality doesn't really synergize with his kit, he has a true dmg execute with meh burst. Why would you buy lethality, when you can build something like black cleaver or frozen heart and be more tanky/have an armor shred, and actually survive more than 3 autos, Pyke's burst isn't that great either if he isn't snowballing hard.

Knuckleballer1 votes

[{quoted}](name=Ray 701,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=sBVcPLAP,comment-id=,timestamp=2018-09-19T10:05:58.246+0000)

PBE: Death from Below (R) execute damage changed from [200-605] to [250-605]

Why even buff his outplay button in the first place?

The buff is at low levels, where Pyke feels a bit weak. Once he gets a few items then he's pretty strong, but to help at early levels where items are less available because Support, this will help boost that a bit.

Yordle Xayah1 votes

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okamiyasha951 votes

If they buff Pyke, they can buff Thresh. As a Thresh player, it behooves and disgusts me that a champ can do my job 10 times better than me. If it wasn't for my flay, I would get completely stomped by him in the bot lane. Thresh is flashy too. Imagine landing a hook in between two minions from 2 miles, throwing the lantern, diving in like getting pulled into a black hole, and the ADC follows. Then all hell breaks loose. OR the fight broke out, the enemy tries to flash away but Thresh predicted it and landed the hook. Now the crowd goes wild even though they've seen it plenty of times.

Stupafly1 votes

Mind sharing the source of his Plat+ 50%+ winrate?

three sites i looked at said he was just under 49% plat+

Rαy1 votes

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Mind sharing the source of his Plat+ 50%+ winrate?

three sites i looked at said he was just under 49% plat+

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Pyke/

Lolalytics is pretty reliable - he's currently at a 49,94% average winrate.

If you take a look at the graph, it often varies between 49 and 51%, which is actually perfectly balanced.

LordGeovanni1 votes

pyke needs lower base ult damage not higher.

Rαy1 votes

We lost guys, it's in the patch notes :)

Whatever, lost most of my hope for this game months ago.

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