Community: "Damage overall is too high!" Riot: "We are buffing Janna's damage!"

[{quoted}](name=SociaI Justice,realm=EUNE,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=b93IAyV7,comment-id=000400010000,timestamp=2018-09-22T01:04:13.516+0000)

you have a decent point, it doesn't apply to janna though, ou know how those easy champions tank to about 40% win ratio in dia? kinda like volibear? yeah well janna is still good at every elo with high play rate.

There's a difference between "main function being performed easily" and "being extremely one dimensional".

For example, Lux is extremely one dimensional and has huge openings or weaknesses in her play style. It makes her winrate drop like a rock when played vs. competent players.

Main function being easily performed is like, "okay what is an enchanter supposed to do?" Peel, defend, set up. Janna peel almost can't be misused. Janna E literally can't be misused unless you're a baboon and shield someone else. W is also easy to use.

Same with a champion like Malzahar. You clear waves until you can press R. His winrate should be at around 51% too.

Compared to Garen or Volibear, Malzahar's gameplay is a lot more open ended so you won't see the same drop in high elo.

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=b93IAyV7,comment-id=000000000000,timestamp=2018-09-22T00:58:07.048+0000)

Not convinced she does, personally, but I do stand by it being a distinct decision that isn't necessarily indicative of Riot's lack of commitment to lowering damage in general.

another part of frustration of players stem from unnecesary changes especialy buff to champ that dont need it when others are left in trash or toxic state and jana was top for looong time this buff is just another speck of salt in wound. For example this buff warrant or not is percieved by players as unnecessary while they can devoit time an attention to other things like client, trash chaps, etc... sorry for english :D

Honestly, I think that this is the problem. If one champion struggles you can either: -Increase the damage of the champion, therefore also increasing the general game damage. Every champion is a part of the game, so every champion has an impact on the overall damage. -Increase the utility, granting them stuff like longer CC, stronger slows and speed ups, base ms, mana regen. This makes the champion stronger, while not increasing overall damage. -Increase the defense, granting them base or scaling armor, mr or hp. Results in lowering of overall dmg for a bit. -Nerf their counters. This doesn't solve the innate problem the champ has, but if a champion is really struggling in a meta, nerfing the dominant picks can make them viable. There are propably more options, but those are the 4 I can think of on the spot. 3 of them are a way to buff the champ without increasing dmg. The problem is, increasing damage on one champion doesn't impact the game that much, but constant buffing of damage starts being noticable. And every damage buff adds up to the overall game damage. Now it has reached the point of easy oneshots and very short teamfights. This doesn't mean Riot should cut every source of damage in half, they should just nerf the damage of the most dominant picks(obviously damage is not always the problem with a champion, I'm speaking in general). One or two patches later, if the nerfs hit too hard, buff the champion's defense, utility or just nerf his counters next. This should slowly reduce the damage overall. I won't talk about runes as the comment got really long, but I think they are a problem too, as they are right now.

This is the answer I'm looking for. Janna has been a good support pick forever because she is so good at being a wall. To tone down her defensiveness riot is increasing her ability to go on the aggressive.

The only thing this thread shows is how little some boards members think.

i just want aery and spelltheif to not proc on fucking auto's so you get rewarded for staying out of spell ranges, i was ok if they didnt nerf aery damage and only made it work on spells

But Janna's issue when she is strong IS her utility.

When Janna is strong it DOES NOT Matter how much damage she does, but her utility always overweighs it.

By buffing her Shield you just turn her MORE into the shield bot she is.

But buffing her damage they at least incentivize using a different part of her kit.

They buffed them in utility, we aren't asking for this. WE WANT NERFS IN DAMAGE (LETHALITY, TRUE DAMAGE) AND SOME BUFFS IN RESISTENCES (ARMOR, MAGIC RESIST). Holy fucking shit, how many fucking times we must fucking repeat this. They are a bunch of fucking retardet morons. IS THIS TO HARD TO UNDERSTAND? Yes i'm tired of this bs balance sistem.

They literally just buffed 4 different champions in damage... what the fuck do you mean lmao..

Not to mention the buffs to utility literally means they can do damage faster. Was this comment real or

[{quoted}](name=The Djinn,realm=NA,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=b93IAyV7,comment-id=000000080000,timestamp=2018-09-23T14:06:44.834+0000)

Eh. I stand by it. If you have five characters that have a potential individual damage output of 10, 10, 10, 10, and 2, and you reduce the damage of the 10 champions to 8 while INCREASING the damage of the 2 champion to 6, team damage potential still drops from 42 to 38, despite one character getting buffed.

I'm not saying Riot is DELIVERING on a damage nerf across the board at this time: just that buffing a character here and there isn't good evodence they don't think damage IN GENERAL is too high.

Why is Riot pulling a 12, 12, 12, 10, 6 though?