also champs with 4 dashes and a lot of cc should have some mana/energy just like akali that doesn't even have hard cc and also irelia
if fizz uses E he uses 90 mana early game and 110 when ability is maxed
when riven uses her E to shield turret shots after harrasing u, to shield any dmg she uses NOTHING. it costs nothing, she can do it for free as much as she wants.
her Q cooldown is too short also, so she can use it for harras and for escape.
Ragnaveil23 votesThis is because of how much CDR has been injected into the game willy nilly without considering the side effects. This is not just a Riven issue, this is also a Jax issue.
NoizyBoii4 votesI agree, at this point i would not be surprised if someone said there are more items with cdr than without, like if im not mistaken all of the "bruiser" items have cdr on them
Literal IRL Tree6 votesHydra Items don't have CDR thats a core item for every bruiser basically lol
LordGeovanni2 votesI dont agree riven was building 40% cooldown since forever season 3 30% but thats because her cooldowns are so low she didnt need more
Karn Bishop5 votesAgreed, remove rune 10% CDR, remove CDR or lower it on most AD items and some AP items to make it so CDR is a tradeoff you make not a guaranteed thing. Spells are so spammy now that a mistake is not really a mistake because hey CDR.
Darkdemon65310 votes12 -> 10, 11 -> 7, and 14 -> 10 really aren't that short.
Cotten Eyed Joe8 votesQ cooldown got buffed. E cooldown got nerfed. Her E level 1 can't tank turret shots. She almost never maxes E. Early game her CDs are extremely long. She has too build 40-45% CDR in order to use her abilities well. Riven has no sustain and is easily poked.
Fizz's E makes him untargetable and deals damage. You can't compare two abilities that are completely different.
EDIT: To anyone who disagrees. What do you disagree with?
MalignMetal7 votesBy 2 complete items she has 45% or is damn close.
Cotten Eyed Joe1 votesHer most common build is BC into DD. Thats 30% CDR. Not 45% If you're taking cosmic insight, thats 35%. You're 10% off. And BC into DD is expensive as hell
LordGeovanni1 voteswow riven has only ever had one change in her entire lifetime who knew
Cotten Eyed Joe1 votesNo but it's the current change.
Accursêd8 votestbh if spear of shojin and conqueror get removed as they should be, riven would be fine, jax would be fine, renekton, etc
Haze972 votesStop. Conqueror isn't the problem here. Jax with PTA still bursts down tanks and Riven works just as well it.
Conq gives you a paltry 8% true damage these days. After all those nerfs it isn't the problem here. The real problem these days is Spear which gives away free stats and CDR like Oprah distributing it herself.
HopeStartsWithU2 votesConq gives heals, is easier stacked, gives true damage. PTA doesn't give that much shit. Riven is busted since the release of conq.
Haze973 votesRiven was always busted. Stop downvote answers and go try playing her with PTA Death's dance rush. She's still broken af and so is Jax.
Conq has been nerfed to the point where I don't even bother running it unless the opponent team has more than two tanks.
HopeStartsWithU1 votesIdk man, 50% winrate doesnt seem busted to me. Could also just be me. Anyway I don't downvote shit but w/e.
TengenToppaGnar1 votesStop. Conqueror isn't the problem here. Jax with PTA still bursts down tanks and Riven works just as well it.
Conq gives you a paltry 8% true damage these days. After all those nerfs it isn't the problem here. The real problem these days is Spear which gives away free stats and CDR like Oprah distributing it herself.
You can say its not a problem, by itself, but what Riven isn't building that TaF Spear while using Conq? Besides the bad ones. Riven not building Spear is like a Kha not building Duskblade. A sign of possible mental r%%%%%ation.
Cevrad1 votesDo not compare those two things when Kha can just do without it... Like please get a grasp of what you are actually talking about before opening your yap about a champion you know nothing about. Though its popular for Kha to run Duskblade, R evolve BC first is a recognized preference build if your team already has alot of damage. So no, it isn't a sign of being mentally deficient if you don't go duskblade on Kha the same way it would be if you don't go spear on Riven. Like Kha has like 5 different builds atm depending on situation and you over here comparing it to Riven who legit has 1 item that changes based on the game.
And btw, R evolve BC first doesn't build Duskblade, no room for it. Still 1 shots squishies. It is not a mandatory item on the champion.
General Esdeath 7 votesHer E cooldown was just increased :V
Maybe you should just learn how to play against her?
PB4UAME3 votesAnd her Q cooldown was decreased an almost equal amount in raw terms at the same time. Of course, her Q is tied to not one, but three dashes, and half of her AoE hard CC, so technically, her mobility, CC, damage, and ability to proc her passive (so more damage) were buffed, and only her shield strength per minute was nerfed.
General Esdeath 2 votesAnd her Q cooldown was decreased an almost equal amount in raw terms at the same time. Of course, her Q is tied to not one, but three dashes, and half of her AoE hard CC, so technically, her mobility, CC, damage, and ability to proc her passive (so more damage) were buffed, and only her shield strength per minute was nerfed.
3 dashes that, if she uses to catch up to you, she loses out on their damage.
Her E got a 4 second increase at level 1, while her Q lost 1 second at level 1. Her Q loses 3 seconds max rank and her E increased by 4 seconds at max rank. So no, it's not equal time. Especially since her E's shield is crucial for her dueling potential. As I've said before, people need to learn to play against her and stop asking for nerfs whenever something is strong.
Cotten Eyed Joe1 votesI wouldn't say shes even that strong now. She's only strong into people who know how to play her and even then she's not extremely good.
LordGeovanni1 votesThis is dumb riven is a melee champion yeah but she largely faces other melee champions who have to walk up to farm if you using the have to use Q to catch up to them loses her damage as if her passive doesnt make up for that (by storing 3 charges instead of only being one) and her Q cooldown being so negliable that she can use it to catch up survive long enough between's massive shield and mobility to have her Q up again. that she can now used on top of you and kill you because W and Q are also hard cc on top of aoe so they cant only effect one person or be blocked by an ally champion or minion
General Esdeath 1 votesThis is dumb riven is a melee champion yeah but she largely faces other melee champions who have to walk up to farm if you using the have to use Q to catch up to them loses her damage as if her passive doesnt make up for that (by storing 3 charges instead of only being one) and her Q cooldown being so negliable that she can use it to catch up survive long enough between's massive shield and mobility to have her Q up again. that she can now used on top of you and kill you because W and Q are also hard cc on top of aoe so they cant only effect one person or be blocked by an ally champion or minion
A melee champ with low HP regen and low base HP. She's a squishy lane bully, hit her when you can.
LordGeovanni1 votes1st item 
all your problems and dreams come true. The problem is exactly that you cant hit riven she either
General Esdeath 1 votes1st item
- Has a shield.
- She has damage to chunk you out with heavy cc.
- She has mobility to run away . She will always pick the one that favors her the most.
So then 
must be broken since all of them:
LordGeovanni1 votesAzir lee sin and Urgot are crazy. Camille doesnt have as much damage as Riven or as much heavy CC her only hard cc is a long cooldown stun that she unlike riven can miss because its skinny as fuk None of those champions have as large a shield as riven nor have it up as often. same with mobility none of them have as much mobility or have it up as often as riven. those champions when they use their mobility to go in unlike riven they actually have little damage because They dont have a passive with 3 charges that store damage for them (except urgot who's passive leg procs are broken because riot cant balance % max hp damage on almost any ability in the game)
General Esdeath 1 votesCamille doesnt have as much damage as Riven or as much heavy CC her only hard cc is a long cooldown stun that she unlike riven can miss because its skinny as fuk
Camille, the champion with true damage that can be amplified, doesn't have much damage.
OK
And Riven can miss her CC, camille just has to click on you.
None of those champions have as large a shield as riven nor have it up as often. same with mobility none of them have as much mobility or have it up as often as riven. those champions when they use their mobility to go in unlike riven they actually have little damage because They dont have a passive with 3 charges that store damage for them (except urgot who's passive leg procs are broken because riot cant balance % max hp damage on almost any ability in the game)
Little damage? None of them have as much mobility as her? My guy, they all do her job without blowing their load chasing you down. Urgot has a passive that does % max HP that he can proc by walking in a circle with W on for 0 mana and 0 cooldown. Lee Sin gets his resources back. Camille gets a shield THAT ADAPTS TO WHOEVER SHE HITS.
LordGeovanni1 votesWhy people Always talking about riven using her skills chasing you when its intended that she does that and have them back up to kill you with. its not as if she has no damage after that with her broken passive autos into stun into autos into shield into her Q's that are back up by now.
General Esdeath 1 votesWhy people Always talking about riven using her skills chasing you when its intended that she does that and have them back up to kill you with. its not as if she has no damage after that with her broken passive autos into stun into autos into shield into her Q's that are back up by now.
So you're not playing a ranged champ into a lane bully? Interesting...do you ever cry about Renekton or Pantheon in lane either?
LordGeovanni1 votesNo because you can actually fight and beat those champions and they dont free excape when they cant win fights if they already committed. They actually have acceptable windows of down time while riven doesnt and they dont have 4 mobility skills on basic abilities on top of 2 hard cc that also nuke.
General Esdeath 1 votesNo because you can actually fight and beat those champions and they dont free excape when they cant win fights if they already committed. They actually have acceptable windows of down time while riven doesnt and they dont have 4 mobility skills on basic abilities on top of 2 hard cc that also nuke.
Really? That's funny. Renekton has this funny little combo where he E's into you via minions, stuns you with W, Q's you, and then E's away. You can't fight back this whole time, you just have to take it.
Pantheon just spams Q on you and you can't auto him because of his passive, which he can instantly refresh by stunning you with W when you walk up to him, then Q you and walk away or all in you with his E.
Both of these champs nuke a lot earlier than Riven does. The only difference is they fall off late game, with Renekton building tanky to become a bruiser and Pantheon becoming useless unless he's able to walk up to your ADC with 6 items and just beat on them without anyone peeling.
Riven doesn't have "4 mobility skills", she has a little dash on her Q that she needs to hit you with or she's missing out on damage. Her W barely does damage, it's just there for the stun. Her E, again as I've said, is wasted if she's using it to dash to you. She needs to save it for her trades. Her passive isn't that great if she's just standing there auto attacking you.
Inasnity Valor7 votesPeople's definition of low cds really intrigue me. So 11 seconds early game on an ability is "low cd?" 5 seconds after using 3 casts over 6 seconds is a low cd? 9 seconds on an ability is low CD? If so, I'd really like to know what you consider long considering all champs have an 8 second average cd on most abilities level 1.
Padoµch5 votesIrelia has mana... Riven is not really that strong when she cannot get early kills, or gets CCed. Since her release I pick Garen into her, and most of the time she cannot do much against me.
LordGeovanni2 votesRiven (or any champion really) not being strong if she cant get early kills is a myth thats only compared to their other shit stomp the game selves that is seen as the norm in any other game. even without early kills she has tons of mobility to deny kills on her self a massive shield for the same and 2 cc's to do the same and help allies with ganks.
Cotten Eyed Joe1 votesAnd if she uses that mobi to escape, she now has no damaging abilities. SHOCKER. Her "massive shield" only comes into effect about 3 points into, which I believe is at level 12. That's like mid-late game when it comes in.
LordGeovanni1 votesDid you read the header to this post Her cooldowns are too short Meaning when they are gone they come back with little down time. If she has excaped with her mobility why does she need damage she is not in a range to be taking or dealing damage. The thing is no other champion in the game except akali has such a short cooldown high up time fuk off you cant kill me ability because riot themselves says that game play patterns is boring which is why they wont let tanks be tanky but riven gets to have it. Her massive shield comes in at i have ad which riven always has even a 10 extra for a 105 shield at level 1-3 is really significant in the early game (lets be real riven has way more than just 10 bonus ad at level 1 runes and masteries exist) Designated shielding supports dont get shields that good until 3 points in their abilities, they usually have longer cooldowns, no extra mobility, and casting it has a large animation that they cant cancel out of to start moving or do damage faster.
Cotten Eyed Joe1 votesAkali doesn't have damage other than Q if she uses all her abilities. I can't even understand the middle part of your post because of how bad the grammar is.
Riven shield early game is not that big. She doesn't have a "massive shield" level 2. Her shield becomes large around levels 4-5. Until then, its mainly just a counter to high cd poke tools (ex. teemo Q and Panth Q.) It doesn't help in auto attacks, doesn't help with consistant poke, and doesn't help in all ins.
Cotten Eyed Joe1 votesAkali doesn't have damage other than Q if she uses all her abilities. I can't even understand the middle part of your post because of how bad the grammar is.
Riven shield early game is not that big. She doesn't have a "massive shield" level 2. Her shield becomes large around levels 4-5. Until then, its mainly just a counter to high cd poke tools (ex. teemo Q and Panth Q.) It doesn't help in auto attacks, doesn't help with consistant poke, and doesn't help in all ins.
LordGeovanni1 votesNo one maxes E on riven first so her level 4-5 shield is the same strength as her level 1-3 shield except being earlier levels it means much more
Cotten Eyed Joe1 votesNo one maxes E on riven first so her level 4-5 shield is the same strength as her level 1-3 shield except being earlier levels it means much more
I meant level 4 E
Nhika3 votesIrelia has mana... Riven is not really that strong when she cannot get early kills, or gets CCed. Since her release I pick Garen into her, and most of the time she cannot do much against me.
Getting CC'd is not a valid excuse to keep a champion overpowered.
That's like saying; JUST AUTO ATTACK JAX HE TAKES DAMAGE
TengenToppaGnar2 votesGetting CC'd is not a valid excuse to keep a champion overpowered.
That's like saying; JUST AUTO ATTACK JAX HE TAKES DAMAGE
ROFLMAO, This actually made me laugh. Probably cause I think people are stupid enough to actually scream that in a game.
RaQqa2 votesShe get nerfed on shield, in current season everyone has short cds, for low mana costs, u don't even have to pay attention on this. Harassing and running away is a part of her kit, right now with shield nerf u are able to fight back.
Cotten Eyed Joe1 votesYou were always able to fight back if you played it correctly. Conq just made it so that Q spamming without weaving in autos could work. But Renekton, Fiora, and any ranged character still shits on her like always. Same with tanks
Curious Kat2 votesCDR in general for every fucking champ, across the entire game, and ITEMS in general needs to be lowered.
Game feels like URF, every body firing one shot nukes every 2-3 seconds, and you die just for being on the same fucking screen thanks to super mobility. Like literally under your turret? Here comes predator Heca going 100000000 mph to one shot you under your turret.
Cotten Eyed Joe1 votesNo one plays predator Hecarim, and he doesn't oneshot until extreme lategame at which point you're just out of position.
LordGeovanni1 voteswoah man i wish some one else Pointed this out before maybe in season 5
