Nerf Kaisa

Heko The Man·Jun 29, 2019·35 votes·13,170 views

Her damage is insane and you'll often see that champ getting super fed.

54 Comments

DuskDaUmbreonJun 29, 201925 votes

You really need to have some kind of numbers in your post. Some justification other than "Her damage is insane and she's usually fed", which is just anecdotal evidence, even if not hurt by confirmation bias.

Your entire post is just "Kai'sa's OP" with no defense at all. So my entire counterargument, based with the exact same amount of evidence you've provided, is "Kai'sa's not OP".

The Twisted FoxJun 29, 20191 votes

this

GayFluffyUnicornJun 30, 20197 votes

What is there else to say. Giga broken since release.

Everything point and click except her W.

Absurd ratios, absurd kit, absurd base dmg. Waveclear, scaling. Can build whatever.

If you want numbers go to riot HQ they jerk off to numbers, that's why this game sucks so hard.

Z3SleeperJun 30, 20191 votes

I just think the absurdly deep V, absurdly refined British accent and absurdly flawless skin need to be nerfed.

XavanicJun 29, 201920 votes

she is an abomination, the only marksman that can get away building nearly anything

DuskDaUmbreonJun 29, 201920 votes

Yes, hybrid champions tend to be like that. They tend to be able to build a lot of different items.

And Kai'sa is arguably the most true hybrid champion we've had to date, which means she has a lot of options for what to buy.

XavanicJun 29, 20198 votes

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Yes, hybrid champions tend to be like that. They tend to be able to build a lot of different items.

And Kai'sa is arguably the most true hybrid champion we've had to date, which means she has a lot of options for what to buy.

yeah, that's problematic, she has no true counter, you build armor, she can just go ap, you build health, botrk plus attack speed, you go mr, ad, you focus her out, zhonyas/banshee's/death's dance combo, tbh, the biggest problem is she has access to the defensive items for ALL dps champs

DuskDaUmbreonJun 29, 201913 votes

Alternatively, you can build against what she builds.

You know that no matter what build she runs she's doing magic damage on each auto, and she'll be AA reliant. item 3110 and item 3194 will always be useful against her regardless of her build, unless she's some idiot going pure AP who thinks that'll ever work worth a shit.

You can always rely on her doing both physical and magic damage. The ratio is going to be the only thing that changes. Buy a bit of each then see what you need from there.

XavanicJun 29, 20193 votes

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Alternatively, you can build against what she builds.

You know that no matter what build she runs she's doing magic damage on each auto, and she'll be AA reliant. and will always be useful against her regardless of her build, unless she's some idiot going pure AP who thinks that'll ever work worth a shit.

You can always rely on her doing both physical and magic damage. The ratio is going to be the only thing that changes. Buy a bit of each then see what you need from there.

yeah i tried building mr once....turns out she went crit that game and raped my face with her ad

voidscalerJun 30, 20192 votes

He literally said build to counter her....don't see Kaisa and go "oh I suppose il try Mr this game" see what she's building first, does she build so or crit, counterbuild, don't blind build

GayFluffyUnicornJun 30, 20193 votes

So adcs can get away building full dmg running into teams killing everyone and anyone has to build full tank just not to get oneshotted.

Great design. Lemme get that FH and AH on GP because otherwise i literally just died in two autos and one Q what a champion while being entirely point and click.

Its absurd how this fuckin community and riot allows adcs to be so incredibly ridiculously broken while finding excuses for it left and right.

Sicne season 6 adcs have been so incredibly unbelievably broken. Except two patches in s8 the last time the game was actually fun in recent history.

voidscalerJun 30, 20191 votes

I agree with you on the adc point, but Kaisa isn't the biggest issue when it comes to ADCs

Caitlyn FTWJun 29, 20191 votes

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XavanicJun 29, 20192 votes

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What the f? In what works does she build all of those items? You realize she has to build her core items first and then choose one of those if any....... Jesus when boards want to complain they'd say anything

A good kai sa won't be constrainted by arbitrary concepts such as the idea she needs specific items to function, she will simply adapt to your team and fuck you over, this is when she feels impossible to play against, i've seen kai sa start zhonyas and build into a banshee's and still go 10+ kills and carry

Caitlyn FTWJun 29, 20191 votes

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XavanicJun 29, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Relax I am noob,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BqArsaE3,comment-id=000000000000000100000000,timestamp=2019-06-29T22:58:55.445+0000)

What is this iron 4?

actually this was in a high gold, low plat game...

Caitlyn FTWJun 30, 20191 votes

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XavanicJun 30, 20191 votes

[{quoted}](name=Relax I am noob,realm=EUW,application-id=3ErqAdtq,discussion-id=BqArsaE3,comment-id=00000000000000010000000000000000,timestamp=2019-06-30T00:20:57.677+0000)

And I am a rocket scientist at NASA

this was in a ranked game, look at my elo, i get put against plats all the time

IP MasquerenaJun 30, 20191 votes

That Adaptability is her biggest strength and her biggest weakness.

Most players just ride on the bandwagon of the Meta build in lower elos. I just checked on U.GG all her ranks, and her win rate is negative everywhere from Iron to Challenger. Her closes to 50% was a 49.5% in Masters, but other than that, it's pretty much between 48% to 49%.

Her win rate is normal for a champ her pick rate in the higher elos, but it's still considered low in lower elos.

So yes, while the good players on her can use her versatility to the max, it shows that many can't use it as well, and such, her best asset is also her biggest weakness.

Then again, she's not Zed, ofc someone has to complain she's good when she's all negative winrates, while Zed who's all positives is "balanced""

Vlada CutJun 29, 20191 votes

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she is an abomination, the only marksman that can get away building nearly anything

Because that's the whole point of her design? To be able to build anything on a whole new level compared to Ezreal. At least majority of jer builds get punished by hacing lower conssistency than crit builds on crit carries who already star spiking from 50% or 65%, Kai'Sa's current item 3042 meta build is no exception.

GayFluffyUnicornJun 30, 20192 votes

So her design is to be forever and ever completely broken with no downsides.

It's her design so its okay haHAAA boards and adc mains btw.

Vlada CutJun 30, 20191 votes

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So her design is to be forever and ever completely broken with no downsides.

It's her design so its okay haHAAA boards and adc mains btw.

It IS her design? Take it away and Kai'Sa is no longer Kai'Sa. Ha ha ha. Generic crying threads and posts.

AtomicRadioJun 29, 20196 votes

Cant be broken if you perma ban her every game like me [slayer-jinx-wink]

xxxliltrash Jun 29, 20196 votes

make her passive start off lower damage and scale with level so she is more of a scaling champion and less of a strong at every point in the game champion

SiG DxDJun 29, 20194 votes

kaisa is a mutant and can abuse all broken items and has too much of everything

HopeStartsWithUJun 29, 20193 votes

https://lolalytics.com/ranked/worldwide/platinum/plus/champion/Kaisa/ADC/

Doesn't look that bad. A Hyper-Carry is supposed to deal tons of damage. Her getting fed is on you (or on your team), it's pretty easy to shut her down before she gets all her upgrades.

GayFluffyUnicornJun 30, 20192 votes

Hypercarries are also supposed to like you know have no peel, be squishy. Instead she has 2k base hp, 80 armor, 600 PD shield, half her health as shield while gapclosing across the map, stealth, MS boost, and kills everyone not full tank in two autos and Q.

ZeyphelJun 30, 20191 votes

Hypercarries are also supposed to have giant shields into their kits ~~(apart from phantom Dancer Shield)~~ and Burst Damage instead Consistent damage since mid game. Yep seems pretty normal.

14daysuspensionkJun 29, 20193 votes

I'd rather want a Kayn nerf but ok.

SucctionJun 29, 20192 votes

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I'd rather want a Kayn nerf but ok.

Don't really think Kayn has ever been an issue at any level of play

14daysuspensionkJun 29, 20193 votes

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Don't really think Kayn has ever been an issue at any level of play

Damage.

SucctionJun 30, 20191 votes

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Damage.

Fun fact: Every champion in the entire game does damage! :0

14daysuspensionkJun 30, 20191 votes

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Fun fact: Every champion in the entire game does damage! :0

Fun fact: Some champions do way too much than others! :0

SucctionJun 30, 20191 votes

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Fun fact: Some champions do way too much than others! :0

And Kayn isn't one of them.

14daysuspensionkJun 30, 20191 votes

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And Kayn isn't one of them.

Yes he is.

SucctionJul 2, 20191 votes

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Yes he is.

Yeah, I'm sure someone who exclusively plays normal games is a good person to talk to about game balance!

RavenbornJun 29, 20193 votes

Honestly I don't get why her Q deals so much damage and it's a lock on...

Dead Anime DadJul 2, 20193 votes

My main problem is that rek'sai's q wasn't allowed to have decent scaling but then they turn around and give the same ability to kai'sa with three times the range, great synergy with her passive, lowered cd on upgrade, and does pretty good damage. And suddenly it's ok? Makes playing against her in Aram a pain.

BoilTheOilJun 29, 20192 votes

Her Q damage is too fucking high, it can do 407 (+ 129.5% bonus AD) (+ 148% AP) damage when upgraded (6 second cooldown btw) and if you compare that to syndra's ultimate at max rank 540 (+ 60% AP) + 180 (+ 20% AP) per sphere. Yes, that's right the 6 second cooldown ability on an ADC has a higher ap ratio than syndra's ultimate with 3 additional spheres and it also has an Ad ratio.

Heko The ManJun 30, 20192 votes

When i came back to LoL and when i was leveling my acc in every game Kaisa got fed. In my or in the enemy team, it didn't matter. And i was like wtf, something has to be wrong with that champ so i tried her myself... and then i realized that kaisa is op.

ZeyphelJun 30, 20192 votes

Guess the Champion

Tanky Flashy Champion who does Consistent-Burst damage who btw also has invisibility.

Riot's 200IQ Mastermind: "I feel like ADCs shouldn't need any supports to 1 vs 5."

And we have this.

PaladinNOJun 29, 20191 votes

Nerf Kai'Sa*

Get her name right, please.

Then take Graves along with her. https://matchhistory.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/#match-details/EUN1/2213178028/201309331?tab=overview

ShleelpboyJun 29, 20191 votes

She has a lot of opportunities with her build path... am I getting Deja Vu?

I remember a champion that can do this... TRISTANA!

Heko The ManJun 29, 20191 votes

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She has a lot of opportunities with her build path... am I getting Deja Vu?

I remember a champion that can do this... TRISTANA!

she got reworked loooooong time ago. ap trist is trash now

PaladinNOJun 29, 20192 votes

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I remember a champion that can do this... TRISTANA!

Old Kayle too, if I remember correctly. Attack damage, ability power, hybrid...she used to do it all. Now it's only attack speed on her and let the win come automatically at level 16.