@Meddler, so 6.23 is going to be the patch you'll dedicate to changing certain champs, right?

Malicious Metal··33 votes·2,866 views

You already affirmed Shyvana's getting changes I'm still crossing my fingers for Morde

But the one I actually want to talk about is none other than the Terror Beneath, the Void Burrower, League's fairest Lady REK'SAI!

Now we can all agree that release Rek'sai was a monster in more ways than one, having strong damage, durability, map pressure, utility and more. She was simply too good at a lot of things but ever since her release she was nerfed... A LOT, like she only received nerfs in the time since her release, turning her into nothing more than a competitive knock-up bot.

And as great as knocking something up feels like in the end it may bite you in the ass and have long term implications on you. You'll be forced to give up some of the things you took for granted like time, money....or other strengths like damage and co.

Her play style has become really binary and she tends to build mostly tank instead of a mix, being a bruiser to be feared rather than a meat shield.

You mentioned looking into ways to make her build more like a bruiser and make her more satisfying to play so can we expect these type of changes in the next PBE cycle or were they scrapped? It's a shame seeing champions being nerfed just because they're oppressive in pro play. Shifting her kit around and making her more satisfying for casuals and less binary in pro play would really go a long way in making her a great champion again.

http://ddragon.leagueoflegends.com/cdn/img/champion/splash/RekSai_1.jpg

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EndlessSorcerer36 votes

And as great as knocking something up feels like in the end it may bite you in the ass and have long term implications on you.

http://i3.kym-cdn.com/entries/icons/original/000/017/225/zAp2LzJ.jpg

Decrit8 votes

On the rift, she is the girl that knocks you up!

Narasimha1 votes

Sejuani Well, technically her AND her boar.

l Helios l29 votes

Meanwhile, in a local dumpster near you...

Azir item 3070

Kalista item 3070

Agreed though that she needs something. Playing her is stale and she just needs something to do beyond knock up and tank.

HazyCloud71 votes

Yes pls. Just remove Azir's ability to Q while casting E already so we can make the emperor great again. These two champions are absolute garbage at the moment and need changes moreso than any champion mentioned in the OP.

And more importantly, their kits are presently too overloaded to be balanced.

Frius2 votes

thats what happens when you shit dmg outside of screen and still make kids cry with 44% winrate champion

Darius Strada2 votes

{quoted}

Meanwhile, in a local dumpster near you...

Azir item 3070

Kalista item 3070

Agreed though that she needs something. Playing her is stale and she just needs something to do beyond knock up and tank.

And the worst part is that today I saw a Rioter saying that Azir is the most broken champion in the game and that he will be on the dumpster untill he gets some changes.

TurquoiseYoshi1 votes

Where was this?

SwiftKitten882 votes

{quoted}

Where was this?

a while back

Meddler: We're planning on doing some work on Rek'Sai to shift her back towards a more damage focused champ. That'll likely involve transferring utility or tank power into damage, or at least pushing her towards more damage focused itemization. Details on that haven't been figured out yet. We wanted to mention it at this point since we've nerfed Rek'Sai a number of times recently but in not ways that have indicated that's our direction however (shorter term changes basically, working within her current state more than pushing her towards what we think she should be).

Darius Strada1 votes

{quoted}

Where was this?

in some EUW post I saw a while ago

AirKingNeo4 votes

Except Azir is the most broken kit wise and should be dumbstered until they change him. I'm sorry but facts are facts.

AirKingNeo5 votes

He has the longest attack range in the game with his W. Zoning with his Q. Free 50% attack speed. His E gives him the longest non-ultimate dash, and an ultimate that CC's in a large AoE, zones entire enemy teams, deals damage, blocks dashes, peels off all melee champions.

Keep in mind he has the greatest self peel ability and the longest dash that not even Olaf can chase him down.

SlntReaper1 votes

He is gutted like hell right now. He has a 43.5% winrate. If you aren't an OTP Azir main, you're going to fail. His kit is very high skill. His E giving him a dash? You need to sacrifice your main source of damage. Your ultimate that CC's enemies? Walk out of it. Unless he does some kind of insec play, you'll be fine. And in soloq, you don't have team coordination to take advantage of an insec. Karthus has a global, undodgeable nuke? So what? His kit is trash right now. Stick a Tankko on him and even Azir can't get away with all that sticking power. And Tankko isn't rare at all.

AirKingNeo6 votes

Well yeah, Azir is gutted completely because his kit is so overpowered.

Similarly, Karthus' ult is what keeps him from getting meaningful buffs.

Except Azir only dashed in, meaning he needs to Q just to move it to damage, or out, meaning who cares if he wastes his damage, he's already out of whatever bad situation.

SlntReaper1 votes

I'm sorry, op and broken are two different things. OP means their numbers are high and that's it. Kind of like if Teemo got a superbuff. Broken means the kit itself is inherently unbalanced. Think double skills like Gnar. It's where they are hard to balance since their kit is extremely feast/famine.
With that being said, Azir's kit is not the most broken. There are more overloaded champions such as Gnar or Ekko who have so many special interactions. Gnar can buy item 3085 and item 3074 because he is both melee and ranged. Azir is nothing special. Yes he has a great all in, but if he messes up, he's screwed. Ekko can just ult back for an undo button.

AirKingNeo2 votes

No, OP and broken are synonyms. Overpowered means to be massively above average. Broken is an exaggeration.

Downvoting comments because you don't like the truth is pretty mean.

Oh and Azir is the most broken kite wise, Kalista second. Ekko already got gutted and needs some reverts or else his PBE version cannot jungle at all. Gnar just got powercreeped out.

Votable Jester1 votes

I think he mixed up "broken" and "unhealthy"

SlntReaper1 votes

Prepares for stream of downvotes In all seriousness, the two terms have come to being used simultaneously. An OP kit is a kit with overtuned numbers or that is easily abused. A broken kit is overloaded. Often times overloaded is synonymous with being OP simply because of the utility it brings to the table.

AirKingNeo2 votes

Overloaded means has too much. Similarly, many overloaded champions happen to be very overpowered because they out utility other champions.

Epicanian1 votes

may i add Kindred i know she hasn't been in the dumpster that long, but ever since those nerfs she has disapeared completley

IM DRAGON1 votes

[zombie-nunu-bummed]

AirKingNeo5 votes

What about the promised Aatrox changes?

BoilTheOil1 votes

diver update

AirKingNeo1 votes

I mean the ones they promised for the preseason.

Meep Man1 votes

Can you link it?

IDeoxite3 votes

Make Rek'Sai great again

Now that's a campaign I could support

MunchCrunchLunch2 votes

am not sure why do you talk about champions you don't play. stick to morde please.

GayFluffyUnicorn1 votes

So people on the boards don't get annoyed by his morde posts. As you can see he manages to mention morde in every. fucking. post.

MunchCrunchLunch1 votes

well i guess at least hes experienced at that. but dont go making threads saying you know what a champion you dont fukcing play needs. he doesn't play reksai. i don't go ask for lb buffs. i dont play her and i dont know whats going on with her

Gusdel2 votes

The real issue is knock ups. There is little counter play other then to dodge it. It is like a mini suppression. You can't build to lower the duration (height of knock up). The only way to balance it is a skill shot but Jenna and yasou have proven how strong it is as a skill shot. Jenna has no damage and is still a great support with her shield and knock up.

TheSingularity2 votes

They should make her actually echo locate. So, like a radar, she fires out rings of sound that bouce off objects in a different colour and bends around terrain The enemy would be alerted to this when the sound hits their model. Basically they'd hear it and rek sai would have to differentiate between terrain, monsters and champion. Easy for rek sai? What if cho gath kills red and stands on it. A champ may hug the end of a wall to make it look a little longer. The rek sai would have to know the difference in appearence size or check it un burrowed.

In exchange rek sai see's nothing, not like she does now. Legit nothing. As of she's in a constant nocturne ult while burrowed (cos she can see people before they move)

This overall encourages reksai to pursue (so the sense updates more frequently) which could then lead to damage buffs/spell changes to discourage tank builds and encourage diver/semi-assassin builds.

Chembaron Yamada1 votes

The idea of her being in permanent nocturne ult while burrowed doesn't make sense. This wouldn't be a trade off like you describe it, it would simply be a huge nerf to her.

She uses her burrowed stance to move around in the jungle quickly. With that change, while she is in the jungle, she would lose any information. Like what is going on in the lanes. Since map awareness is a big part of her concept, because of her global ult, that would force you to stay out of burrowed stance almost entirely. Doesn't fit the concept.

And it would hurt her team fighting potential alot. Right now, in a team fight you can use the vision of your team members to use your knock up at full potential. Wouldn't be possible in your version.

Nameless Voice1 votes

I must admit that, as an Eve main, I don't really want to see her being popular since her burrowed passive almost completely invalidates my kit just by her existing on the enemy team.

My Waifu Vanilla7 votes

I mean your passive completely invalidates green wards so it does go both ways. Two wrongs don't make a right, but complaining about Rek'sai as Eve isn't exactly a good argument.

Nameless Voice2 votes

My champion's entire power budget is in that passive. Her stats are terrible. Her damage is low. The only thing that she has going for her is that passive. Rek'sai merely existing takes her passive away and takes most of the power out of her kit.

My Waifu Vanilla4 votes

So is Rek'sai's. Rek'sai doesn't do nearly enough damage for how little she ACTUALLY brings to a team which is a flash knock up and her tremors (which have been repeatedly nerfed).

Over Innsmouth4 votes

Except Evelynn is also massively outdated in design, and perma-invis with exception to proximity is way worse for the game than an ability that reduces self-vision in order to see it.

IM DRAGON2 votes

it's called "counter"

PapaGreg211 votes

Would Rek'sai be better if the knockup was simply removed and there was a better slow added to her Q? This seems like people would then be forced to build more damage on her because her utility would be worse, sort of like a lighter Shyvana with better mobility. I would also like to see some changes to this champ as I feel she just isn't worth selecting for me at this point.

IM DRAGON1 votes

Yes please [zombie-nunu-tears]

Troll for Trump1 votes

Ekko FizzKassadin (kass sorta) have identity/kit problems, not just things with slows/scalings or whatnot. Utility assassins are toxic.

Aatrox Evelynn (shoulda been in the assassin update)

BoilTheOil3 votes

eve is in need of a vgu and aatrox isnt a assassin at all hes a diver. ekko and fizz got some small updates in the assassin rework and kass is fine right now maybe he could use a little buff but overall hes alright

Troll for Trump1 votes

Yeah I meant evelynn is an assassin. Aatrox obviously isn't one. But eve, by design, is supposed to be one.

I mentioned that, but all they got was number updates. They should've been one of the larger-scale reworks.

Once agian.

Not talking about numbers, or their winrate in the current meta.

Their designs are toxic. Assassins with utility are toxic.

Bladerunner77771 votes

Wouldn't it be patch 7.X.X?

SociopathFriend1 votes

@Malicious

I had an idea for how to change Mordekaiser. Essentially you tinker with the ultimate. Lower the cooldown and power but let him get the ghost of a minion or non-epic monster in addition to champions. Whenever this ghost deals damage to an enemy champion either slow them down or give Morde a MS buff when moving towards that champion.

This forces the Metal Emperor to make a choice- Use his ult to help get in and fight- but lose the damage plus champion ghost. Or hold it during the battle in hopes of getting a more powerful ghost.

Thoughts?

DevlinCrow1 votes

I'm a Rek main (although only 50k points), I didn't manage to play Rek during her OP state I was still a newbie.

I'll say she's actually fair decent atm, she has immense tankiness, good damage and her tunnels allow for amazing plays. Ever ulted away from a certain death? Nothing in LoL feels as insane to me.

Fun to play and effective on the rift. This is how she is currently, please no changes for her...

FostXTV1 votes

Lul Azir is junk now. Camp him early and dont let him farm and you will be fine instead of whining like cucks. My main needs some love.

Laçez1 votes

My main needs some love Kindred

Boulderox1 votes

Aatrox item 3151 such torment

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