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Can we please have an AP assassin item?

invisiblecat1··12 votes·694 views

The only item close to being an assassin item is item 3100 , but that doesn't work on all of the assassins. I AM NOT SAYING THAT WE NEED SOMETHING LIKE DFG BACK I just want something that has penetration and damage, THAT DOESN'T GIVE HP item 3151 gives this along with HP. I buy this on Katarina, since her Q damage was nerfed a lot so the penetration helps, but it still isn't good enough So basically AP assassins are forced to buy mage items which cases problems since IMO they shouldn't have a build consisting of 5 mage items. item 3285 does give that burst damage that assassins need, but why get that when you could buy something else that makes an assassin harder to kill? Riot, all I am asking for is an item AP assassins can get that will not make them hard to kill, but will just give them an item to call there own and not to share with mages item 3812 item 3814 item 3147 item 3142 Are all on AD assassins which only really work on them and other assassin-like champions So why not one for AP champions? Thanks

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xxxMadLionxxx4 votes

I've been thinking the same thing, but I feel we need a new ap item in general with all the ap nerfs

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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I've been thinking the same thing, but I feel we need a new ap item in general with all the ap nerfs

Boo hoo they are nerfing OP rylais , clearly there re SO many AP nerfs...oh wait no there isn't.

Divewing1 votes

What you probably don't realise is there's a couple of strong BURST mages, who are only strong right now because they can 1 shot the ADC because of outside scaling (Syndras balls, viktors hex core). For almost every other AP Mage, Rylais is mandatory to keep up consecutive casting/kiting because they simply don't have the numbers they used to.

When something like the Rylais situation happens it's a problem, but it also means there's an underlying problem as well

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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What you probably don't realise is there's a couple of strong BURST mages, who are only strong right now because they can 1 shot the ADC because of outside scaling (Syndras balls, viktors hex core). For almost every other AP Mage, Rylais is mandatory to keep up consecutive casting/kiting because they simply don't have the numbers they used to.

Uhh.. Npo. Rylais is mandatory because Rylais is busted right now, rofl.

When something like the Rylais situation happens it's a problem, but it also means there's an underlying problem as well

I agree it is a problem. however it seems to me you are completely oblivious to what the actual problem is, or more liekly are simply trying to twist the reality of the situation to fuel your agenda.

Divewing2 votes

You can think what you like. AP itemisation has been getting chipped at ever since DFG was removed, and ADCs have only been getting stronger. You don't have to believe me, but if the only AP change that comes through is the Rylais nerf, that with syndras nerf will leave AP kids in a rather sad state.

ChaddyFantome1 votes

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You can think what you like. AP itemisation has been getting chipped at ever since DFG was removed,

Except it hasn't because not only was a new AP item introduces, as well as several of the existing ones buffed, but the options in builds now vastly vary especially compared to the DFG era.

and ADCs have only been getting stronger.

Okay, first off. i wanna make it clear that i am no ADC player. I am a Mid main, and when i am not playing Orianna, Karthus, Leblanc Malzahar, Lissandra, Lux etc etc and killing ADC's I'm playing support and begging m ADC isn't boosted.

With this in mind, wtf does this have to do with your argument? Again it only seems to me is that this is more a "i want buffs" complain out of self interest.

You don't have to believe me, but if the only AP change that comes through is the Rylais nerf, that with syndras nerf will leave AP kids in a rather sad state.

No. All it will do is make it so AP kids will have to actually play to positioning and aim their damn spells instead of having absurd amount Tankiness at no real damage sacrifice and an aimbot slow to prevent them from messing up, or at least now when they opt for it, they actually have to do so out of necessity as opposed to abuse.

I say this as someone who plays Malzahar, Karthus and Orinana, champs that greatly benefited from the item. if you are wondering what they will build instead, I have to shake my head in utter confusion because their is now a plethora of options for mages now and they were for the most part (looking t you Rocket belt) being ignored because Rylais was so abusable.

Syndra will just Build Luden's instead for example.

or , you know, maybe people will actually get a Dcap or Voidstaf. >_>

Divewing1 votes

Dcap is super shitty while building at every point in the game, and only really useful late-super late (barring veigar), because you get more dmg out of void staff and faster.

All these new AP items don't change the fact that unless you are gimping your early game building tear and roa, you don't reach the AP numbers you used to. As for the new items, protobelt is a bad build on most standard mages, gunblade is aimed at double-scalers, and the slow one will probably still be passed over for Rylais anyway.

And AP have to be able to contest damage with ADCs reasonably or we go back to the support-mid meta of stuff like lulu. ADCs have defined the game so heavily junglers are picked that are strong early to protect/feed their ADCs, and burst mates are taken mid to 1 shot them before they clean the whole team. It doesn't matter whether or not anyone plays ADCs, with the exception of outliers and the juggernaut fiasco, the meta has been defined by how/what is strong in the bot lane.

Side note; malzahars ryalis functioning won't change much, his was predominantly a 20% slow anyway, ori is one of the least reliant on Rylais, so karthus is really the only one you have listed that's going to be effected by the slow change, but even so he has the means to continually proc it at least.

Finally, you talk about APs having to rely on skill, positioning, and accuracy. They've always been like this, but their power has continually been chipped at while their targets (ADCs) have been given more damage and defenses, so it's put APs into a state where they need a busted item like Rylais or some form of mega-burst to cope. You can ride that high horse about APs having tankiness (lol) and removing their weakness with an "aimbot slow" when ADCs stop dealing burst damage and instead deal dps damage like they were supposed to.

Saianna1 votes

gj on being an idiot.

ChaddyFantome4 votes

item 3285 item 3152 item 3001 item 3100

you dont really need one. seems to me u want one more for the sake of saying you do.

Also, Deaths Dance is not an Assassin item. It's a ADC/bruiser item Assassins CAN build.

invisiblecat12 votes

All of those work one mages and assassins tho

ChaddyFantome2 votes

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All of those work one mages and assassins tho

You mean like how assassin items work on ADC and bruisers? Dont see your point.

Like i said, this seems like a "how come AD assassins get new items but I dont"? thread. AP Assassins already benefit well from the itemization. AD assassins didn't have any. They basically just piggybacked off of bruiser and ADC items and hoped for the best.

Because Burst mages and AP assassins already share itemization inherently, they don't need items just to say they have an item, especially when AP assassins already benefit greatly from the options being AP gives then as is.

item 3135 item 3116 item 3157 item 3146

Especiallyitem 3146 are all good and very potent items for AP assassins.

invisiblecat11 votes

Ghost black/duskblade only really work on twitch/vayne who are marksmen/ASSASSIN

ChaddyFantome4 votes

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Ghost black/duskblade only really work on twitch/vayne who are marksmen/ASSASSIN

MissFortune Quinn Caitlyn Lucian

Also, you forgot Jhin, tho he is marks /assassin too.

That said, this doesn't change the truth of my point either way.

Akali is SO HOT1 votes

Abysall Scepter is a mage item and protobelt is really only bought on immobile mages and abuse cases, most of which aren't assassins. The only true assassin items are luden's and lich bane and luden's is almost never bought because it's pretty garbage atm.

LordGeovanni1 votes

deaths dance isnt meant to be touched by adcs but it is any way

Sire Hippington2 votes

actually, some survivabillity is VERY welcome on ap-assasins. The issue with liandrys is not the stats it gives, but that the %current-health DOT is just useless on assasins. If it was a missing health dot to finish of targets after burst, ok. If it was just removed and the pen increased to 20 and maybe the ap also increased to 100, it would also be a frequent buy on assasins.

Saianna1 votes

ap assassin item? That thing will be abused by Ez for damn sure.

And most likely by ADCs (cause they abuse almost everything in this game)

THE RlVER KlNG1 votes

Make an AP assassin item and watch Annie Kennen Syndra etc. abuse it.

invisiblecat11 votes

What I really want is an assassin item that can't be abused by burst mages

Meep Man1 votes

Isn't that item 3135 ?

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